Does a Fine-Tuned Universe Lead to God?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

And now we are pretty much back at philosophy. In technical terms, time is movement through space and has existed as long as space has existed even if there was nothing to realize it. Pretty much like how radio waves and radiation were always there even though we didn't know it yet.

And since a few people have already decided what they think (and I don't mean you), might as well throw out this for fun. The "observer effect" as it applies to the entire universe. This is kind of a scary one and while we aren't even close to explaining it, it seems to be a reliable constant like the "observer effect" in quantum. And that means the entire universe seems to behave in a certain way simply because we are observing it. Lots and lots of implications, few for certain answers and lots to disagree about.

Maybe everything really is kinda the matrix and only exists as a result of us looking at it.

A photon leaving the Big Bang, or soon after, has had no time pass since the then.

Pondering the existance of God is a complete waste of time and energy. The Bible was written thousands of years ago and to this day it is still relevent to living a great and sucessful life.
It is truly awe inspiring if you can comprehend its relevence to human beings.

The Bible is not an owner's manual for the Universe. It isn't meant to be IKea directions for building the universe.

Yes, there are oddities in science that with out them, we wouldn't have life. Ice (solid water) is less dense than liquid water. That ain't right, but with out it, bodies of water would freeze solid and stay that way- making life much harder to survive cold periods.

That doesn't mean that God did it that way. Yes, the complexity of biologicical functions seems improbable, and it is, but there are some chemical tricks there and lots of time for things to happen.

[SteyrAUG]

A photon leaving the Big Bang, or soon after, has had no time pass since the then.

Depending upon what you mean by "soon after", space itself didn't exist yet let alone matter. I don't want to even want to try this one here, it's pretty well covered in Hawking's "A Brief History of Time."

[WillBrink]

What about this, time don’t exist it’s purely a human invention and absolute nothingness is not a real concept just an abstract idea. It is impossible to represent absolute nothingness in real life so there will always be a cause for something to happen.

Everything always has been and always will be just infinitely there.

A current theory is that time does not exist and is an emergent property of entropy. It makes sense and solves a lot of problems:

https://www.space.com/time-might-not...-to-physicists

[WillBrink]

Will,

Yes I would love to see evidence that the fundamental laws and constants of the universe could be different.

Did you view the vid I posted with comment? I have to find the vid. This one does not directly address the topic per se, but brings interesting applicable topics of value to it:

[tn1911]

[okie]

I think structural similarities between different objects is more the result of the universe having a fractaline nature. Using the Mandelbrot set as an analogy, you can see how a single and extremely short line of code can result in endless, novel complexity. And I think that makes a really good analogy for why you see so many similarities in micro and macro structures throughout the universe.

The ancients believed that the universe sprung into existence when God uttered "the Word." This idea of God speaking or sometimes singing the universe into existence is extremely interesting in light of our modern understanding of computer code, fractals, and the holographic or quasicrystalline universe.

Just like the Mandelbrot set can create an endless world of complex rhyming patterns from a single line of code, you could imagine that our own world is the result of "a word," as a single line of code (albeit much greater in complexity) that all matter and life came from.

The similarities could also be more than just visual, though, without us having to actually be living in a literal brain. The universe could function in similar ways to a neural network. The wokeness notwithstanding, I was really intrigued by the new Star Trek series in that regard.

[tn1911]

Just like the Mandelbrot set.

I’m only vaguely familiar with that, isn’t it just a fractal dimension? I think it’s used in visualization or something?

[okie]

I’m only vaguely familiar with that, isn’t it just a fractal dimension? I think it’s used in visualization or something?

It's just a single line of code that produces an apparently endless, non repeating fractal. I only mentioned it as a visual aid to demonstrate that our own universe could hypothetically be fractal in nature, which would explain why unrelated things seem so similar in structure when you "zoom" in or out on them. In other words, the similarities between the two structures don't necessarily have to suggest we're living in someone's actual brain, but just that the structure of the universe and the brain are both the result of the same original source code, and therefore share structural similarities to one another.

[WillBrink]

Sean Carroll, on fine tuning:

[Adrenaline_6]

How I see it is this. For Abiogenesis to even theoretically happen (we don't really know because it is far too complex for us to begin to duplicate or even fully understand currently), a bunch of complex events must happen. Not only must they happen, they must happen in a specific order while at the same time during that time frame, a random event not happen that destroys the required substances made.

If you seriously think about it. It's not simply winning the lottery, which with enough time, in theory, everyone will win. It is winning a bunch of lotteries. Each required temperature change , molecule combining, etc is a lottery. Add to this, that it isn't just a bunch of lotteries that is required to be won, it is winning those bunch of lotteries in an exact and specific order. All the while having to win the lottery at every "step" that the environment doesn't destroy what was just made before moving on to the next step. Losing any of of those lotteries out of order, starts you all over again. Once you can come to terms that time is not really an asset, but a hindrance, you realize that this is statistically impossible .