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    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    eliminate the concept of Creation, or Intelligent Design, and there's no other genuine explanation for the universe as we know and understand it.

    Just too many things that work so intricately well for it all to have happened by random chance. Along with that the laws of physics support Creation, where did all of this come from? to claim it all happened by chance defies a starting point. what started that?
    Of course there is. Watch the vid? Have you researched the topic in any depth? There's a variety of possibilities, some of which posted/discussed here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    If God wanted to make the moon a message about Divine presence, he could have just put a sign on it.
    The moon itself is the sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    to claim it all happened by chance defies a starting point. what started that?
    Where did god come from? All the god answer does is reset the starting point of everything to a new place.

    The origins for the universe and the origin of life were somehow always there or somehow came from nothing. Saying god did it simply relocates the question with a new question. And if god was somehow always there or somehow came from nothing, then the same can be said for the universe and the origin of life.

    In either case, we can probably never know. We can't observe anything before the universe existed and even if we discuss life's origin only as it relates to THIS planet we'll probably never discover that missing "whatever" that changes amino acids into the most simple life forms and trust me people have been looking into it.

    Replacing that "unknown" with "god" just gives us a different question we can probably never answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie View Post
    The moon itself is the sign.
    Yeaaaaaa, nooooooooo its not.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

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    What about this, time don’t exist it’s purely a human invention and absolute nothingness is not a real concept just an abstract idea. It is impossible to represent absolute nothingness in real life so there will always be a cause for something to happen.

    Everything always has been and always will be just infinitely there.
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    Will,

    Yes I would love to see evidence that the fundamental laws and constants of the universe could be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    What about this, time don’t exist it’s purely a human invention and absolute nothingness is not a real concept just an abstract idea. It is impossible to represent absolute nothingness in real life so there will always be a cause for something to happen.

    Everything always has been and always will be just infinitely there.
    And now we are pretty much back at philosophy. In technical terms, time is movement through space and has existed as long as space has existed even if there was nothing to realize it. Pretty much like how radio waves and radiation were always there even though we didn't know it yet.

    And since a few people have already decided what they think (and I don't mean you), might as well throw out this for fun. The "observer effect" as it applies to the entire universe. This is kind of a scary one and while we aren't even close to explaining it, it seems to be a reliable constant like the "observer effect" in quantum. And that means the entire universe seems to behave in a certain way simply because we are observing it. Lots and lots of implications, few for certain answers and lots to disagree about.

    Maybe everything really is kinda the matrix and only exists as a result of us looking at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Maybe everything really is kinda the matrix and only exists as a result of us looking at it.
    The theory that things don't exist until your brain renders them for you is something that is discussed among a few scientist who enjoy the abstract.
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    Pondering the existance of God is a complete waste of time and energy. The Bible was written thousands of years ago and to this day it is still relevent to living a great and sucessful life.
    It is truly awe inspiring if you can comprehend its relevence to human beings.
    Last edited by hotbiggun42; 08-14-22 at 22:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    The theory that things don't exist until your brain renders them for you is something that is discussed among a few scientist who enjoy the abstract.
    It's been an idea for some time. World on a Wire (1973) was probably the first film to suggest everything was just a simulation, which is related to the idea being discussed.
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