AZ cops taze, arrest parents trying to get their kids after gunman reported at school

[Diamondback]

All I know is next time, and sadly there will be a next time because incompetence breeds it, the cops better get their pronto and bag their shooter almost as fast as Eli in the food court. Would also be nice if they stopped prefacing every fall down disaster with a "hero cop saved the day" version of events that never actually happened.

The other truth is right now there are people in RSO positions who are investigating threats and preventing incidents, but that never makes the news and it never has the same impact. When someone reports "school investigators possibly prevented a mass shooting today by arresting this dipshit incel who posted troubling comments on his twatter page and made threats to other students" half the people on the internet want to talk about how he got "set up by those who can't actually deal with threats so they need to cultivate people to arrest."

It's part of that "can't win" formula LEOs are currently trying to function under.

Next school shooting they better have their crap together or armed parents are gonna start patrolling schools. Following Parkland a handful of private and religious schools in South Florida were already trying to put together a program where more than just teachers and staff were armed at schools.

Well then maybe the agencies need to get their crap together, start purging shitbirds like Arredondo and his lackeys, and get to work rebuilding trust. Maybe have a shoothouse exercise with paintball or simunitions, inviting parents as observers to see The Book in action. Assuming they put The Book in motion at go-time rather than Do An Arredondo, may his name be forever associated with cowardice and dereliction of duty in the LE community...

I tell you this, if I'm a Uvalde County Commissioner, I introduce a bill to strip Qualified Immunity from Arredondo and his Meal Team Six group that sat on their asses and jacked off to the screams of dying kids when it was clearly time to Sound Off Like They Had A Goddamned Pair.

[OutofBatt3ry]

Leaveammoforme - depart from this thread, and do not return. Go read your PM's as well.

It's entirely possible to discuss an issue and express personal opinions without making personal attacks. You need to learn how to do that, or you can leave this forum.

I don't believe from what he posted (unless other posts in this thread were nuked) he was personally attacking anyone directly in the thread... Maybe he shouldn't have used the word he used...but I understand what he was saying. Dude was a member for nearly a decade...damn. (Maybe edit the post and give him a stern talking-to? I like to think we're all on the same team.)

I pray charges are dropped against the parents involved.

History predicts that the PD will not protect your/our kids. (Not that they don't want to)...lawsuits and stuff. Sad times we live in.

[Diamondback]

I'm obligated to note that my prior is not intended as cop-bashing, my ex and I owe our lives to a massive investment in time and mentorship from a number of members of the local LE community and twenty years ago I actually had the privilege of helping Security at my alma mater and their town's PD draw up the Active Shooter Response plans for our campus--I've alluded to those wargames before. You guys DO have a MASSIVE PR and perception problem that needs to be addressed, and it's pretty extreme at Uvalde's "they wouldn't even save one of their own's family members."

[SeriousStudent]

I don't believe from what he posted (unless other posts in this thread were nuked) he was personally attacking anyone directly in the thread... Maybe he shouldn't have used the word he used...but I understand what he was saying. Dude was a member for nearly a decade...damn. (Maybe edit the post and give him a stern talking-to? I like to think we're all on the same team.)

I pray charges are dropped against the parents involved.

History predicts that the PD will not protect your/our kids. (Not that they don't want to)...lawsuits and stuff. Sad times we live in.

Guess how many totally out of line posts we get in General Discussion, every day?

The acronym RLTW stands for Rangers Lead The Way, which is in 1168's sigline.

I have friends who are Ranger-Qualified, friends who served in the Ranger Regiment, and friends who wear a Ranger Battalion scroll on the right sleeve of their Army uniform. Most of those guys also have one or more enemy marksmanship badges as well.

I was a Marine. I was never a Ranger, but have great respect for those who were. If someone made a similar remark about a Marine Reconnaissance/MARSOC unit, they would create a similar reaction.

I do consider us to be on the same team. Therefore, I should not have to edit the post of a grown-ass man who makes remarks of his own free will. Nor will I.

I get tons of complaints every week at how uncivil the posts are here. If people get time on the beach when they eff up, they will either behave or cease posting. I'm fine with either one. There are basically 4-5 people here that moderate close to 85,000 posters. It's not a side-hustle any of us make money on.

That is why what happened, happened. I ain't mad at you, by the way.

It is a shitty situation with the interaction on that call, and I do hope it never happens again. Just a bad deal all around.

[Diamondback]

Hang in there, SS--it's a thankless job; I saw plenty of days modding other forums where members would get into knock-down-drags-outs with each other then as soon as I banged the Moderator Cluebat on the bar-top they'd immediately put it all aside and turn everything they had on me, until it became like an Oprah episode...

"YOU get a vacation! And YOU get a vacation! EVERYBODY gets a vacation! Try again in three days..."


From this humble 4-F, Semper Fi--good words for anyone to strive for.

[SeriousStudent]

Hang in there, SS--it's a thankless job; I saw plenty of days modding other forums where members would get into knock-down-drags-outs with each other then as soon as I banged the Moderator Cluebat on the bar-top they'd immediately put it all aside and turn everything they had on me, until it became like an Oprah episode...

"YOU get a vacation! And YOU get a vacation! EVERYBODY gets a vacation! Try again in three days..."


From this humble 4-F, Semper Fi--good words for anyone to strive for.

Nah, we good. I ain't complaining, I signed on for this gig because Chuck Petrie asked me and ST911 to do it. We walked in, eyes open. Like the tattoo says "No Raegrets".

OutofBatt3ry politely asked a valid question, and I wanted to answer it. No "woe is me" here.

I think we have a lot of very sharp people here that post excellent data. But the signal/noise ratio gets out of hand at times, and it drives off some excellent people. A bunch of friends who are Industry Professionals and SME's just don't post here anymore because of it, and I'd love to bring them back.

[OutofBatt3ry]

NM...

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

As a parent of public school elementary children, I will likely do anything to get my kids out, no matter the cost.

As a police officer in the same area, I'll likely do anything to keep parents from ruining our efforts to contain and eliminate the badguy.

I get both sides.

The dude above saying we dont want to stop badguys and save kids is wrong. Uvalde cops made this job far more difficult, and this situation is a prime example of it. Sad all around.

[SteyrAUG]

Hang in there, SS--it's a thankless job; I saw plenty of days modding other forums where members would get into knock-down-drags-outs with each other then as soon as I banged the Moderator Cluebat on the bar-top they'd immediately put it all aside and turn everything they had on me, until it became like an Oprah episode...

"YOU get a vacation! And YOU get a vacation! EVERYBODY gets a vacation! Try again in three days..."


From this humble 4-F, Semper Fi--good words for anyone to strive for.

I got ya beat, I was a moderator on Full-auto.com and Full-auto.org...they used to keep us hopping even with a very wide open CoC.

The Admin should be sainted for the forum he attempted.

[Diamondback]

I got ya beat, I was a moderator on Full-auto.com and Full-auto.org...they used to keep us hopping even with a very wide open CoC.

The Admin should be sainted for the forum he attempted.

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