Interesting perspective on M855A1 by retired SF

[1168]

I’m not retired, but I like it. Its an improvement in every way over M855. D89BC8A4-4B7F-48D5-B965-A8BDAD59E55F.jpeg

[Straight Shooter]

I’m not retired, but I like it. Its an improvement in every way over M855. D89BC8A4-4B7F-48D5-B965-A8BDAD59E55F.jpeg

So, a hopefully NOT dumb question.
The gent in the video says after 13 years the 855A1 round is being replaced by a 6.8 round..i cant understand what he says it is, other than 6.8.
If thats the case, will ammo makers keep making 855A1 for civies like they did 193 & 855...and will mil surplus of 855A1 ever hit the market?
Whats the cost of a round of 855A1 vs a round of 855 green tip?

[Alpha-17]

Molon: Great info dump as usual.

OT:
I have to say I was more than a little disappointed with this video compared to some of his others. He always has a bias, with the information slanted by his own perceptions and experiences, but this one seemed more of a problem than normal. He definitely falls into the "Cult of 262" more than I was hoping he would, and that leads him to ignore any other factors than what 262 shines at. 7 years ago, he would have fit in with the "M855A1 is bad; inaccurate and breaks guns!" crowd, but people like Molon have been showing otherwise. The complete lack of any reference to terminal performance other than "I'm not being attacked by car doors!" was pretty disappointing as well, especially when he immediately complained about how it wasn't able to pierce modern plates and that's something the Army should have looked at. Which is it? Barrier and armor penetration matters, or it doesn't?

So, a hopefully NOT dumb question.
The gent in the video says after 13 years the 855A1 round is being replaced by a 6.8 round..i cant understand what he says it is, other than 6.8.
If thats the case, will ammo makers keep making 855A1 for civies like they did 193 & 855...and will mil surplus of 855A1 ever hit the market?

Hopefully not a stupid answer that contains info that you already know:

6.8x51, eventually will be commercially available as Sig's .277 Fury cartridge. As far as I know, M855A1's successor hasn't been type-classified yet, but it appears to be a bullet very similar to M855A1/M80A1 but scaled to 6.8/.277".

I very much doubt we will see M855A1 hit the market in any significant numbers after 6.8 comes out. We would have seen it already if there were plans for it to become a commercially viable cartridge. Not sure if it is legal or marketing reasons for its absence, but something is keeping the cartridge out of circulation in any significant amount. I'd love to be able to stock up on both M855A1 and M80A1, but that's not really an option.

[Straight Shooter]

Molon: Great info dump as usual.

OT:
I have to say I was more than a little disappointed with this video compared to some of his others. He always has a bias, with the information slanted by his own perceptions and experiences, but this one seemed more of a problem than normal. He definitely falls into the "Cult of 262" more than I was hoping he would, and that leads him to ignore any other factors than what 262 shines at. 7 years ago, he would have fit in with the "M855A1 is bad; inaccurate and breaks guns!" crowd, but people like Molon have been showing otherwise. The complete lack of any reference to terminal performance other than "I'm not being attacked by car doors!" was pretty disappointing as well, especially when he immediately complained about how it wasn't able to pierce modern plates and that's something the Army should have looked at. Which is it? Barrier and armor penetration matters, or it doesn't?



Hopefully not a stupid answer that contains info that you already know:

6.8x51, eventually will be commercially available as Sig's .277 Fury cartridge. As far as I know, M855A1's successor hasn't been type-classified yet, but it appears to be a bullet very similar to M855A1/M80A1 but scaled to 6.8/.277".

I very much doubt we will see M855A1 hit the market in any significant numbers after 6.8 comes out. We would have seen it already if there were plans for it to become a commercially viable cartridge. Not sure if it is legal or marketing reasons for its absence, but something is keeping the cartridge out of circulation in any significant amount. I'd love to be able to stock up on both M855A1 and M80A1, but that's not really an option.

I certainly appreciate that answer A17. Youd think, or I do anyway, the gov. would want to try to recoup that $100 million R&D it spent bringing the 855A1 to life. Im good with what I have tho, Id like to have a couple hundred 855A1 rounds to play with.

[Wake27]

I certainly appreciate that answer A17. Youd think, or I do anyway, the gov. would want to try to recoup that $100 million R&D it spent bringing the 855A1 to life. Im good with what I have tho, Id like to have a couple hundred 855A1 rounds to play with.

855A1 isn’t going anywhere. The army is not ditching 5.56.


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[WillBrink]

Great read, bullet intel nerd heaven.

[Stickman]

Watched it. Pretty good video from a guy who has been there. Bottom line: Minimal accuracy improvement. Zero lethality improvement. Some penetration improvement that was meaningless in ganistan.

The guy was a WAY bigger fan of Mk262.... a man after my own heart!

Also the A1 ammo was an ass ache cuz the couldn't train with it in the shoot house or on the long range steel. It did enough damage that they had to go back to M855 to train with.

Thanks. I am a large believer that technology will allow us to build a better bullet, but it appears we aren't there yet.

[vicious_cb]

I’m not retired, but I like it. Its an improvement in every way over M855. D89BC8A4-4B7F-48D5-B965-A8BDAD59E55F.jpeg

Exactly, this 30 min long spiel filled with misinformation would make you believe A1 is crap when its quite the opposite. People forget that SS109 was shoved down our throats by the Belgians and other Euro NATO members. I only wish is that A1 wasnt a "green" bullet and probably fragment alot better with a lead core.

[ABNAK]

Molon: Great info dump as usual.

OT:
I have to say I was more than a little disappointed with this video compared to some of his others. He always has a bias, with the information slanted by his own perceptions and experiences, but this one seemed more of a problem than normal. He definitely falls into the "Cult of 262" more than I was hoping he would, and that leads him to ignore any other factors than what 262 shines at. 7 years ago, he would have fit in with the "M855A1 is bad; inaccurate and breaks guns!" crowd, but people like Molon have been showing otherwise. The complete lack of any reference to terminal performance other than "I'm not being attacked by car doors!" was pretty disappointing as well, especially when he immediately complained about how it wasn't able to pierce modern plates and that's something the Army should have looked at. Which is it? Barrier and armor penetration matters, or it doesn't?



Hopefully not a stupid answer that contains info that you already know:

6.8x51, eventually will be commercially available as Sig's .277 Fury cartridge. As far as I know, M855A1's successor hasn't been type-classified yet, but it appears to be a bullet very similar to M855A1/M80A1 but scaled to 6.8/.277".

I very much doubt we will see M855A1 hit the market in any significant numbers after 6.8 comes out. We would have seen it already if there were plans for it to become a commercially viable cartridge. Not sure if it is legal or marketing reasons for its absence, but something is keeping the cartridge out of circulation in any significant amount. I'd love to be able to stock up on both M855A1 and M80A1, but that's not really an option.

Wasn't a company called Liberty Ammunition (or similar) involved with a lawsuit against DoD for infringing on it's design of M855A1? Or is it another round I'm thinking of?

[czgunner]

Molon for the win. Thank you sir. I love your contriburions.

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