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    Interesting perspective on M855A1 by retired SF

    Retired Green Beret Jeff Gurwitch gives a brief technical and historical overview of the M855A1 cartridge, and his take on its’ performance compared to M855 green tip. It’s a half hour video, but I found it pretty interesting.

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    Cool. I'm going to watch this tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Cool. I'm going to watch this tonight.
    If the basic crib notes are, "its not magic and the new ammo isn't much better", please let us know. I don't have the free time to watch each video posted here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    If the basic crib notes are, "its not magic and the new ammo isn't much better", please let us know. I don't have the free time to watch each video posted here.
    Will do. I watch this kind of "long form" stuff when I'm working out. Otherwise, I'd never watch a Youtube video over 5 minutes in length.
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    Watched it. Pretty good video from a guy who has been there. Bottom line: Minimal accuracy improvement. Zero lethality improvement. Some penetration improvement that was meaningless in ganistan.

    The guy was a WAY bigger fan of Mk262.... a man after my own heart!

    Also the A1 ammo was an ass ache cuz the couldn't train with it in the shoot house or on the long range steel. It did enough damage that they had to go back to M855 to train with.
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    But hey, some Big Defense contractors / Ammo company got PAID!!!!!!

    Contracting 101, making dollars off the military and it's stupid ideas!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Watched it. Pretty good video from a guy who has been there. Bottom line: Minimal accuracy improvement. Zero lethality improvement. Some penetration improvement that was meaningless in ganistan.

    The guy was a WAY bigger fan of Mk262.... a man after my own heart!

    Also the A1 ammo was an ass ache cuz the couldn't train with it in the shoot house or on the long range steel. It did enough damage that they had to go back to M855 to train with.

    Thanks. I am a large believer that technology will allow us to build a better bullet, but it appears we aren't there yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post

    Also the A1 ammo was an ass ache cuz the couldn't train with it in the shoot house or on the long range steel. It did enough damage that they had to go back to M855 to train with.
    The fact it was too hard on targets but m855 was not indicated a real performance improvement in barrier penetration, to me at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    If the basic crib notes are, "its not magic and the new ammo isn't much better", please let us know. I don't have the free time to watch each video posted here.
    Is "green ammo" better than green Tipped ammo! As in most things in life - much depends on the shooter.
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    Molon has contradicted a few points made in this video over on P-F FWIW. I absolutely noticed an accuracy difference.


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