What's Killing Bodybuilders And Other Athletes?

**WillBrink** · 08-24-22, 06:41

Originally Posted by chuckman

"I didn't pay attention to your post or to the linked information, but I am going to go with what I googled that will inform my confirmation bias....."

People love their ignorance....

It would be really nice if people would read the source of an OP at least before offering an opinion...

**SteyrAUG** · 08-26-22, 22:00

Wasn't there a rash of joggers who died of heart attacks in the late 70s and early 80s?

Even Jim Fixx who helped popularize it took a heart attack at 52 years of age while jogging. I think it really comes down to this, exercise makes you healthy but if you redline everything your equipment might fail. Not everyone is a physical Ferrari, so if you are constantly gunning your Fiero down the road at 100 mph eventually it's gonna die.

**OutofBatt3ry** · 08-26-22, 22:12

NM...Not GD.

Weird though....

**bp7178** · 08-26-22, 22:51

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Then you either didn't read the article and or, you didn't understand it. It's been established a sub set of young healthy men, or boys, have higher rates of sub-clinical myocarditis post vaccine.

Source? You're claiming use of T by some 14 year old soccer players has grown "exponentially"? You have no idea what you're talking about here. I work with pro BBers and various athletes of all kinds, use of T in the groups that actually use it, has not increased "exponentially" in just the last few years that would coincide with what appears a large spike in deaths. I say appears as I'm not aware of a legit study that's looked at the stats but anecdotally, it seems there's been a big spike in otherwise healthy young male athletes dying and now we have plausible reason and mechanism, and perhaps most important, and easy way to test for it.

I don't know how you got to the very specific "T by some 14 yr old soccer players has grown "exponentially"" from what I wrote.

I don't know shit about who you work with or what you do. From what I gather you are a merely a blogger and post other peoples work and link research which supports your narrative. I don't know what caliber of a pro body builder or "various athletes" would pay a blogger for training advice.

To be fully transparent, I don't like your content and think you add little to the forum. Any dude can quote pub med articles and Google stuff to prop up their talking points.

**WillBrink** · 08-27-22, 09:34

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Wasn't there a rash of joggers who died of heart attacks in the late 70s and early 80s?

Even Jim Fixx who helped popularize it took a heart attack at 52 years of age while jogging. I think it really comes down to this, exercise makes you healthy but if you redline everything your equipment might fail. Not everyone is a physical Ferrari, so if you are constantly gunning your Fiero down the road at 100 mph eventually it's gonna die.

Yes, but likely due to different mechanisms and in the last few years, the numbers of young athletes of various sports and BBers has been way above anything we'd expect. And running (still) sucks:

https://brinkzone.com/why-running-still-sucks/

**WillBrink** · 08-27-22, 09:36

Originally Posted by bp7178

I don't know how you got to the very specific "T by some 14 yr old soccer players has grown "exponentially"" from what I wrote.

Supply your source for T use gong up "exponentially" in thew last 3 years any sport you'd like.

Originally Posted by bp7178

I don't know shit about who you work with or what you do.

That aint my fault nor problem.

Originally Posted by bp7178

From what I gather you are a merely a blogger and post other peoples work and link research which supports your narrative. I don't know what caliber of a pro body builder or "various athletes" would pay a blogger for training advice.

To be fully transparent, I don't like your content and think you add little to the forum. Any dude can quote pub med articles

Can any dude also be found cited in pub med? Where are your past pubs?

Kyle Hoedebecke1 Will Brink. “Military-specific application of nutritional supplements: a brief overview” F1000Res. 2015 Mar 10;4:61. doi: 10.12688/f1000research.6187.1. eCollection 2015.

Hoedebecke K, Brink W. “Operational stressors on physical performance in special operators and countermeasures to improve performance: a review of the literature.” J Spec Oper Med. 2014 Summer;14(2):84-5.

Brink W. “Task specific supplements for Special Operations Forces and law enforcement tactical teams.” Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3 (1)S1-S29, 2006. (www.theissn.org))

J.Antonio, C.M. Colker, G.C. Torina, Q. Shi, W. Brink, and D. Kalman. “Effects Of A Standardized Guggulsterone Phosphate Supplement on the Body Composition in Overweight Adults: A pilot study.” J. of Current Therapeutic Research. Vol. 60, Number 4, p220-227, 1999.

D.Kalman, C.M. Colker, J. Antonio, G.C. Torina, W.D. Brink, Q., Shi. “Effects Of A Guggulsterones Extract-Phosphate Salt Based Product on Body Composition And Energy Levels In Overweight Adults.” Medicine n Science In Sports n Exercise. Vol.31, Number 5 (S), 1999.

Antonio J, Kalman D, Colker C, garza T, Brink W, Swain M. “Effects of Creatine-Pyruvate vs. creatine monohydrate on exercise performance.” J.Strength Cond Res . 1999;13(4):a422.

C.M. Colker, D. Kalman, W.D. Brink, L.G. Maharam. “Immune Status Of Elite Athletes: Role Of Whey Protein Concentrate.” Medicine n Science In Sports n Exercise. Vol. 30, Number 5 (S), 1998.

K. Ullis, T. Ziegenfuss, B.Roberts, WD.Brink, R. Cohen, “Letter to the Editor: Androstenedione.” JAMA. February 9th, p 742. 2000

Originally Posted by bp7178

and Google stuff to prop up their talking points.

On bolded: Then add me to your ignore file, and find another thread to demonstrate your ignorance/troll.

**prepare** · 08-27-22, 10:11

At this point defending the jab ruins credibility no matter who you are.

**WillBrink** · 08-27-22, 10:32

Originally Posted by prepare

At this point defending the jab ruins credibility no matter who you are.

Is that a general statement or some sort of accusation? How is it relevant to the OP topic and discussion? I read primary data to support my positions and recs, and will tend to listen to someone like Dr, Prasad MD MPH, hematologist-oncologist,Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California - who has been very critical of the way "the jab" has been utilized in some populations btw - etc, over anyone here. I know some prefer the (un qualified) opinions of others on forums, various web sites and such, I don't. Your mileage may differ.

The fact remains, for some at various risk levels etc, the vaccine made sense and well supported by data, for others it did not, and or, lacked data to support it's use, which Dr Prasad goes into great details in his vid and article linked.

I'd add a general comment: we used to have some excellent med pros here - along with other SME's - that would comment on such a thread and add valuable info, who either left or lurk as they just grew tired apparently of these types of responses. Now it's more an echo chamber of people with minimal to nadda quals to offer any opinions on topics, and that's a damn shame.