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    Walther and HK…

    So I don’t derail the HK thread.
    I have HKs… I like the build quality, size and fit to my hand. The P2000 v3 9mm is great for carry size and comfort wise.
    I don’t own and have never shot a Walther.
    How does a PDP 9mm stack up against the P2000 9mm in quality, durability and accuracy?
    And about those triggers… how do they compare?
    Does the Walter have a 12 lb pull on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGhostRider View Post
    Does the Walter have a 12 lb pull on it?
    I can answer that question: not by half

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    It's like comparing a 1986 Corvette to a 2021 Corvette. Some like the older and some like the newer. 10 times out of 10 the new one will kick the old one's ass though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGhostRider View Post
    So I don’t derail the HK thread.
    I have HKs… I like the build quality, size and fit to my hand. The P2000 v3 9mm is great for carry size and comfort wise.
    I don’t own and have never shot a Walther.
    How does a PDP 9mm stack up against the P2000 9mm in quality, durability and accuracy?
    And about those triggers… how do they compare?
    Does the Walter have a 12 lb pull on it?
    Walther used to be on par with HK, now they are more like S&W. Not necessarily bad, but not what they used to be. Ironically the same can be said about S&W with some of their firearms.

    No experience with the PDP personally, last Walther I had was the P99 and I sold it.
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    I carry the pdp for work. Fantastic gun. Mine has a 5lb trigger pull on stick trigger. Short take up with a clean break. More than a 1.5k rounds through it since Jan with no issues.

    Quality is very good. The slide seems to have a little more wobble than my MP 1.0 but it doesn't affect anything.

    I'm contemplating getting the compact pro version as well. Comes with a ton of upgrades for not much more money.

    The compacts take the old ppq mags. The full size take the new pdp magazines. The f series also takes the old ppq/pdp compact mags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    It's like comparing a 1986 Corvette to a 2021 Corvette. Some like the older and some like the newer. 10 times out of 10 the new one will kick the old one's ass though.
    It's a bit more like comparing a 67 corvette to a 2022 corvette. 67s still exist, well have to check back in 55 years to see how the 2022 corvettes held up. "Kicking ass" is a relative qualifier. If you mean built to last from high quality materials, not really. If you meant a turbo corvette made in the last 10 years is faster than a 1967 design? Duh...no kidding.

    But this is also why we don't compare firearms to cars as a literal 1:1.

    Walther is capable of producing high quality firearms, the WA 2000 was impressive. But the P99 isn't gonna compete with the Glock even though they or of the same generation more or less. The PDP seems designed to compete with S&W firearms and purchasers should have similar performance expectations.

    Also if we go to HK, the "new" G36 turned out to be a plastic fantastic piece of crap, but a tweaked older AR design called the 416 clowned it. So it really isn't about old or new, lots of old designs are still running the show, some new firearms designs are game changers. Every designer, including HK and Colt has produced a dud from time to time. Absolutes are rarely absolute.
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    So… As a person who has spent a lifetime of being a mechanic/machinist/metal fab/design-engineering… I look at things with a different perspective. I pulled up my drawings of the HK P2000 9mm V3 and the Walther PDP 9mm. I can see the HK design influence on the exterior of the Walther. But the similarities stop when you crack open the drawings of each pistol. The HK “looks” more robust in key places. I like the firing pin contour on the HK better, the Walther appears to be more fragile. My concerns can be totally unfounded… of course time will tell. The extractors look good on both. The trigger design… no comparison. The Walther is very Glock like; cartridge style sear housing etc.
    I dry fire my HKs… A LOT. I run a snap cap in them just because. A fellow instructor/armorer say’s I don’t need snap caps… I disagree. Anytime you have metal to metal impact something eventually has to give… But, I digress.
    My interest boils down to function and reliability. My HK triggers suck. BUT… I like hammers… its very familiar and M9 like. I don’t expect the trigger to equal my finally tuned 1911. I don’t expect it to rival any of my box stock Glocks or my ragged old M9.
    I keep hearing that the Walther trigger is the second coming of the Lord cause you when you shoot it you just repeat his name over and over… while smiling!
    Where as the HK v3 trigger induces involuntary foul language that makes the devil tear up… and smile.
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    Walther and HK…

    HK pistol triggers don’t suck, although that is a quite popular knock on them by gLoCk fanbois and people with little to no shooting experience.

    Name one pistol, other than a 1911 with a trigger that doesn’t suck? They are pretty much all an acquired taste.

    Pistol triggers generally all suck and require practice to master. Stick with your HK and practice. With enough practice you won’t notice the trigger.

    I own numerous Walther and HK pistols and HK is the higher quality brand as stated above. The Walther you ask about is one I do not own.

    If you really want a Walther, a model with a trigger that sucks less is the PPQ M1. I have no experience with the M2 and prefer the HK style mag release on the M1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    HK pistol triggers don’t suck, although that is a quite popular knock on them by gLoCk fanbois and people with little to no shooting experience.

    Name one pistol, other than a 1911 with a trigger that doesn’t suck? They are pretty much all an acquired taste.

    Pistol triggers generally all suck and require practice to master. Stick with your HK and practice. With enough practice you won’t notice the trigger.

    I own numerous Walther and HK pistols and HK is the higher quality brand as stated above. The Walther you ask about is one I do not own.

    If you really want a Walther, a model with a trigger that sucks less is the PPQ M1. I have no experience with the M2 and prefer the HK style mag release on the M1.



    HK literally has one of the worst triggers both out of the box and modified out there. Here's a list of handguns I own or owned that are better than any HK trigger I've felt to date



    -Walther PPQ with Apex trigger shoe

    -Sig Sauer P220 with Gray Guns trigger job

    -Sig Sauer German made P228 *factory*

    -CZ P01 with full CGW trigger job

    -CZ P10c with HB industries flat trigger

    -Glock Gen 4 19 with my own trigger job

    -S&W 629 Performance Center ported

    -Ruger GP100 with my own trigger job

    -Sig Sauer P320 with Armory Craft dual adjustable trigger and Gray Guns spring and sear kit

    -Sig Sauer P365 with my own trigger job



    And I'm sure I'm forgetting a few but this is off the top of my head. I'm a trigger snob and you are either in denial or delusional if you think handgun triggers can't be nice.

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    Never mind…
    I should have known better than to ask such a question.
    “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

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