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Thread: What do you guys make of this? Colt 16" heavy barrel 1/8 twist

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    Buy the rifle. Not the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Buy the rifle. Not the story.
    It's harder than that though.

    If it LOOKS like a 6920 part but the only thing left original Colt are the barrel and receiver a person can still get hammered. Looks like a Colt, it's marked Colt, it comes with a Colt box.

    This is the down side of the build community. Once people figured out how to completely build a rifle, some discovered they can strip out all the quality parts, replace them with cheap knockoffs, sell the rifle for the same markup and then they have a stash of "genuine Colt parts" that they can also sell.

    I can't count the number of times I've seen this. And if a person isn't expert enough to ID each and every part as factory Colt they are gonna get hammered. We used to call them "Gun Show Specials."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    It's harder than that though.

    If it LOOKS like a 6920 part but the only thing left original Colt are the barrel and receiver a person can still get hammered. Looks like a Colt, it's marked Colt, it comes with a Colt box.

    This is the down side of the build community. Once people figured out how to completely build a rifle, some discovered they can strip out all the quality parts, replace them with cheap knockoffs, sell the rifle for the same markup and then they have a stash of "genuine Colt parts" that they can also sell.

    I can't count the number of times I've seen this. And if a person isn't expert enough to ID each and every part as factory Colt they are gonna get hammered. We used to call them "Gun Show Specials."
    Right. Especially since half the parts on a Colt aren't C stamped anymore.

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    It pays to only buy from trusted/established retailers. More often than not, places like Operation Parts, Brownell’s, Midway, Primary Arms, etc.. can get whatever you’re looking at on GB at a better price. On top of that most of them have a decent return policy. Honestly, I have no idea why people continue to go to GB.

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    Depends on what you're looking for, I've gotten some very nice old pistols and rifles off GB over the years. There is a ton of overpriced junk to wade through to get to something good, but there is good stuff to be had on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkland View Post
    Seller claims it's a 16" Socom barrel. It's not a Socom barrel, it's marked with the Colt logo and 1/8, heavy tapered profile. I did a little bit of searching on the internet and Colt apparently makes an AR called the "Competition" with a 1/8 barrel. Just wondering if the barrel is decent or not. Are they chrome lined? Are they outsourced? Who makes them? Are they GTG or POS?

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/945523198
    Would not buy anything off gunbroker if the guy could not take better pictures than that.

    Pictures from all sides at minimum.

    Guy is asking a premium price and offering shit for details and shit for pictures.

    A picture could show if had a FSP installed already or not but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkland View Post
    Depends on what you're looking for, I've gotten some very nice old pistols and rifles off GB over the years. There is a ton of overpriced junk to wade through to get to something good, but there is good stuff to be had on there.
    Gunbroker is just an online gun show. If you know what you are doing you will be ok, if not there is a cost to not doing your research.

    When I was 12 I looked up everything I could find about the next gun I intended to buy so I knew the difference between an 03 Springfield, an O3A3 and even a Mark I. And back then when you spoke to sellers and you understood what you were looking at and what you were looking for, you got some respect and they'd treat you like a person...even if you were only 12.

    But then I'd see adults wanting to buy "the army gun used in WWII" and I was just WTF?!? This was all pre internet, late 1970s so you had to actually go buy books on the subject and read them and even that took a little investigative effort.

    And I can't count the number of times I've helped somebody find and buy something like a HK91 and I had to tell them "no" on 70% of the links they sent me because something was very, very wrong with it and it was not an original, correct 91.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Gunbroker is just an online gun show. If you know what you are doing you will be ok, if not there is a cost to not doing your research.

    When I was 12 I looked up everything I could find about the next gun I intended to buy so I knew the difference between an 03 Springfield, an O3A3 and even a Mark I. And back then when you spoke to sellers and you understood what you were looking at and what you were looking for, you got some respect and they'd treat you like a person...even if you were only 12.

    But then I'd see adults wanting to buy "the army gun used in WWII" and I was just WTF?!? This was all pre internet, late 1970s so you had to actually go buy books on the subject and read them and even that took a little investigative effort.

    And I can't count the number of times I've helped somebody find and buy something like a HK91 and I had to tell them "no" on 70% of the links they sent me because something was very, very wrong with it and it was not an original, correct 91.
    This is all very true. I'm also the type of person who tries to find out everything I can about a type of gun I'm interested in before seeking out one for sale. I had traded away a nice 03A3 years ago and always regretted it. I wanted another old military type turning bolt action rifle to make up for it and decided to find a good Mauser 98 on Gunbroker. Looking at Mausers on GB is an absolute minefield, there are so many butchered up and thrown together rifles, Bubba'd sporters, rifles with severe pitting hidden below the wood line, rusted barrels, counter bored barrels, battle capture rebuilds, rifles with ruined stocks, mismatching bolts with questionable headspace, receivers with questionable heat treatment, etc, etc...

    The trick was to find a make and model with a good reputation that was also not what everyone else was going after. Everyone wants a German K98. There's a ton of junky rebuilt K98s on GB and a bunch of fake matching numbers frauds. I was frequenting the k98k forum where the guys there really know their stuff and can spot a fake original a mile away. They have several threads showing faked matching numbers rifles being sold online. "humped" rifles... or "turds" they call them, and many of these rifles are being bought up by suckers for astronomical prices. I looked at hundreds of K98s, Gew 98s, Czech VZ-24s, Yugo 24/47s and M48s. Didn't find anything that was quite right for me, nothing was exactly what I wanted or was in good enough shape with a decent enough price.

    I finally ended up with a South American contract rifle that was built in Oberndorf, Germany by the Mauser company, pre WW2, all original, numbers matching, excellent condition. it's not exactly a K98 and has a few different features, but it's very close, which is just fine with me, it cost much less than what an original numbers matching K98 would go for these days and is basically it's equivalent with some small differences. I also picked up a post war Husqvarna factory sporter in .270 that was built in the 50's with the FN commercial Mauser 98 action which has a very good reputation. I got this rifle for cheap because someone tried to refinish the stock and botched it, so the stock is ugly looking but that's not important to me, the stock is still solid and the rifle is mechanically sound and in good shape. It was drilled and tapped for Weaver mounts either from the factory or later by a competent gunsmith.

    So I ended up with a wonderful original numbers matching German made pre-war military surplus Mauser, and a nice post-war factory sporter that I can put a scope on. Both are great rifles made by reputable companies, it just took some looking and wading through a lot of the other crap on Gunbroker to find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkland View Post
    This is all very true. I'm also the type of person who tries to find out everything I can about a type of gun I'm interested in before seeking out one for sale. I had traded away a nice 03A3 years ago and always regretted it. I wanted another old military type turning bolt action rifle to make up for it and decided to find a good Mauser 98 on Gunbroker. Looking at Mausers on GB is an absolute minefield, there are so many butchered up and thrown together rifles, Bubba'd sporters, rifles with severe pitting hidden below the wood line, rusted barrels, counter bored barrels, battle capture rebuilds, rifles with ruined stocks, mismatching bolts with questionable headspace, receivers with questionable heat treatment, etc, etc...

    The trick was to find a make and model with a good reputation that was also not what everyone else was going after. Everyone wants a German K98. There's a ton of junky rebuilt K98s on GB and a bunch of fake matching numbers frauds. I was frequenting the k98k forum where the guys there really know their stuff and can spot a fake original a mile away. They have several threads showing faked matching numbers rifles being sold online. "humped" rifles... or "turds" they call them, and many of these rifles are being bought up by suckers for astronomical prices. I looked at hundreds of K98s, Gew 98s, Czech VZ-24s, Yugo 24/47s and M48s. Didn't find anything that was quite right for me, nothing was exactly what I wanted or was in good enough shape with a decent enough price.

    I finally ended up with a South American contract rifle that was built in Oberndorf, Germany by the Mauser company, pre WW2, all original, numbers matching, excellent condition. it's not exactly a K98 and has a few different features, but it's very close, which is just fine with me, it cost much less than what an original numbers matching K98 would go for these days and is basically it's equivalent with some small differences. I also picked up a post war Husqvarna factory sporter in .270 that was built in the 50's with the FN commercial Mauser 98 action which has a very good reputation. I got this rifle for cheap because someone tried to refinish the stock and botched it, so the stock is ugly looking but that's not important to me, the stock is still solid and the rifle is mechanically sound and in good shape. It was drilled and tapped for Weaver mounts either from the factory or later by a competent gunsmith.

    So I ended up with a wonderful original numbers matching German made pre-war military surplus Mauser, and a nice post-war factory sporter that I can put a scope on. Both are great rifles made by reputable companies, it just took some looking and wading through a lot of the other crap on Gunbroker to find them.
    Yeah, if you didn't get in on the great C&R "Russian Imports" of the late 90s / early 2000s you missed the game. I have 6 German manufacture K98s that I snagged for $150 each. At the time the market was flooded with the real thing, some refinished and some original finish.

    One of the best Mausers nobody thinks about is the Spanish M45, it's an odd mix of a straight bolt G98 with several K98 features and almost nobody knows what they are and most were made in '46 so they aren't WWII production for those looking for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Yeah, if you didn't get in on the great C&R "Russian Imports" of the late 90s / early 2000s you missed the game. I have 6 German manufacture K98s that I snagged for $150 each. At the time the market was flooded with the real thing, some refinished and some original finish.

    One of the best Mausers nobody thinks about is the Spanish M45, it's an odd mix of a straight bolt G98 with several K98 features and almost nobody knows what they are and most were made in '46 so they aren't WWII production for those looking for that.
    Yeah it's crazy how much they've gone up since then. I remember seeing milsurps hanging up behind the gun counter at sporting goods stores for under $100. I did snag a couple K31s back in the 00's for real cheap. I can't remember the exact prices but I think they were under $200 at the time. They seem to be going for $750-$1000 now. Nice shooting rifles.

    When I was looking around online I found a channel on YT called USOG, the guy is a gun collector and has several videos on what to look for to get a decent Mauser action at a reasonable price, there were a lot of factory sporters built on FN and Yugo 98 actions and sold under lesser known brand names like J. C. Higgins and Interarms. His videos are what clued me in on looking for a Husqvarna.

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