I had a convo with my Boomer Dad about the country falling apart...

[.45fan]

Are we reading the same forum?

Apparently not.

I see praise for olight, holosun, etc and it is enough to make my blood boil. Don't forget all the foreign car buyers supporting Japan.
That also translates to "eff the USA", every time they make an effort to buy KNOWN foreign products.

[SteyrAUG]

Apparently not.

I see praise for olight, holosun, etc and it is enough to make my blood boil. Don't forget all the foreign car buyers supporting Japan.
That also translates to "eff the USA", every time they make an effort to buy KNOWN foreign products.

Sadly if you want to buy a car "Made in the USA" you have to buy a BMW. All the American cars are now made in Mehico, thanks to Clinton / NAFTA. I'd honestly rather buy a Japanese car, Japan has done far less than Mexico to F over the US.

I wish most things were still made in the US, but hasn't been that way since NAFTA. Hell even Blackhawk stuff is made in Vietnam now.

[gsd2053]

I bet I can walk through people's homes that harp on others about buying foreign products. Only to see just as many foreign possessions.

I try to buy American when it's a feasible option. However I am not going to pay more for an inferior product either.

[Disciple]

Apparently not.

I see praise for olight, holosun, etc and it is enough to make my blood boil. Don't forget all the foreign car buyers supporting Japan.

You said "love for China" but this is not. I think it is both prudent and patriotic to avoid Chinese products when possible, but in many cases it is not possible if one participates in the modern world, e.g. posting to this forum. Not sure what you have against Japan presently but I suppose I am of the wrong generation to understand.

[Straight Shooter]

Apparently not.

I see praise for olight, holosun, etc and it is enough to make my blood boil. Don't forget all the foreign car buyers supporting Japan.
That also translates to "eff the USA", every time they make an effort to buy KNOWN foreign products.

In general Ive always felt much the same. BUT- I wont have a Ford if you GAVE it to me. FVCK FORD. I wont buy a "union made" vehicle or any damn thing else. We HAVE to buy some foreign made/China stuff..the computer or phone you are raising hell on is foreign made, probably China.
I make tremendous efforts, pay EXTRA money, to buy American WHEN I CAN. Some things ARE better foreign made..I like leather goods made in Mexico, because theyve been making high quality stuff like cowboy boots, belts, saddles, ect for hundred + years. I like coffee from South America. Things like that. The US does NOT do everything the best. I am a many decade factory worker. The quality of so called "workers" is horrific...I got stories you wouldnt believe. If I had a business I wouldnt hire a soul under 35 or so years old. DEFINITELY not under 30.
Personal example- after a TREMENDOUS amount of study, reading & research, and after putting it in cart to pay, then taking it out again..the China made scope I almost bought several months ago, went on sale for almost half price, and knowing there isnt anything that can touch it for the price, I popped on it.
Got it in this week and its a hellava scope. I also know some former vets formed the company, and they benefit too.
Aint possible to buy 100% USA..and it pains me because, in MY lifetime..IT WAS. Thanks to Walmart then all the others who had a hand in that.

[Straight Shooter]

Sadly if you want to buy a car "Made in the USA" you have to buy a BMW. All the American cars are now made in Mehico, thanks to Clinton / NAFTA. I'd honestly rather buy a Japanese car, Japan has done far less than Mexico to F over the US.

I wish most things were still made in the US, but hasn't been that way since NAFTA. Hell even Blackhawk stuff is made in Vietnam now.

Question Steyr..wasnt Blackhawk always made in Vietnam? Just wondering.

[JoshNC]

His response was "There's literally nothing you can do about it so stop worrying and try to enjoy life."

I feel like this thought process is the reason the US is dead.

I haven't talked to him in 2 months since the discussion.

Enjoy your Chick-fil-A, Costco, and SS, Pops.

I sent him an AR(to his local FFL) and a bunch of mags and ammo. He said .223 doesn't work good for deer. smh.

I don't know.

You haven’t talked to your dad in 2 months since that conversation? That’s insane. You need to reevaluate your priorities.

Secondly, he’s not wrong. Vote, encourage others to vote, be an upstanding citizen, and be prepared for the worst. But don’t allow focusing on the negatives to consume you. Life is short, it’s important to enjoy it. And WTF man, wake up and call your father. He’s your father. You need to maintain a close relationship with him.

[.45fan]

In general Ive always felt much the same. BUT- I wont have a Ford if you GAVE it to me. FVCK FORD. I wont buy a "union made" vehicle or any damn thing else. We HAVE to buy some foreign made/China stuff..the computer or phone you are raising hell on is foreign made, probably China.
I make tremendous efforts, pay EXTRA money, to buy American WHEN I CAN. Some things ARE better foreign made..I like leather goods made in Mexico, because theyve been making high quality stuff like cowboy boots, belts, saddles, ect for hundred + years. I like coffee from South America. Things like that. The US does NOT do everything the best. I am a many decade factory worker. The quality of so called "workers" is horrific...I got stories you wouldnt believe. If I had a business I wouldnt hire a soul under 35 or so years old. DEFINITELY not under 30.
Personal example- after a TREMENDOUS amount of study, reading & research, and after putting it in cart to pay, then taking it out again..the China made scope I almost bought several months ago, went on sale for almost half price, and knowing there isnt anything that can touch it for the price, I popped on it.
Got it in this week and its a hellava scope. I also know some former vets formed the company, and they benefit too.
Aint possible to buy 100% USA..and it pains me because, in MY lifetime..IT WAS. Thanks to Walmart then all the others who had a hand in that.

I made it as far as "the phone you are using" then realized where this post was going.
I've said on this forum a dozen times that my phone is not Chinese.
After reading Samsung said eff China several years ago I bought one of their phones.
There are zero phones made in the USA so obviously buying foreign is forced on us there, but there are non Chinese phones that a basic search reveals so it isn't difficult to not get a Chinese phone.

As to Ford, they are the only company that didn't take the handout from the government so I give them credit for that.
I live 5 miles from their headquarters so I get the, "eff their union" sentiment, at the same time buying a foreign vehicle while there are other options is just nonsense. I buy GM vehicles, yes there are foreign parts in them but the CEO of the company is 20 minutes from my house, not in some effing foreign land.

Buying a Chinese scope because it's cheap, is why this country is in the toilet. Yes it's possible to not buy a Chinese scope, you just took the "me" option like so many others do EVERYDAY.

The link below will take you to a story about Samsung saying eff China, I quoted the important part.
A quick search pulled up this and many other articles, then a call to Samsung to verify made my decision possible in less than a half hour.

https://www.makeuseof.com/where-are-...g-phones-made/

But Not China

While Samsung used to manufacture phones in China, it terminated all manufacturing operations in China in mid-2019. So unless you purchase an old model, Samsung smartphones are not made in China.

Samsung’s decision was met with a significant drop in Chinese sales. Now, they make less than one percent of smartphones sold in China. But that’s mostly because Chinese citizens prefer purchasing cheaper devices that were made locally instead of imported.Whether you’re looking to participate in a boycott or support your local economy, knowing where the products you support were manufactured can help.

Supporting veterans is great, but you're supporting China more than them, so there is that. As a small business owner I guarantee more of the money you spent went to China.

[.45fan]

Sadly if you want to buy a car "Made in the USA" you have to buy a BMW. All the American cars are now made in Mehico, thanks to Clinton / NAFTA. I'd honestly rather buy a Japanese car, Japan has done far less than Mexico to F over the US.

I wish most things were still made in the US, but hasn't been that way since NAFTA. Hell even Blackhawk stuff is made in Vietnam now.

That is not true.
I have 3 general motors vehicles in my driveway that all have the first number if the VIN being 1.
That means made here, two of them were from the Flint, MI plant and the other from Fort Wayne, IN.

Yes half the parts are from other countries but it was assembled here and the company headquarters is down the street not another country.

[.45fan]

You said "love for China" but this is not. I think it is both prudent and patriotic to avoid Chinese products when possible, but in many cases it is not possible if one participates in the modern world, e.g. posting to this forum. Not sure what you have against Japan presently but I suppose I am of the wrong generation to understand.

There are several options to NOT buy Chinese, so if you still buy from there and praise what you bought, that certainly would be love for China, isn't it?

These effing people love Chinese stuff and it is pathetic. Antifa people buying that crap is one thing, people claiming they are patriotic then supporting our enemy is a effing joke, makes it impossible to take them seriously.

All I have against Japan is buy a effing American vehicle.