So, who sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline?

[gsd2053]

So, if you can turn a valve and turn it off, what is the sense in blowing it up?

You are right. It makes no sense that the Russians blew up an extremely expensive newly constructed "Russian Controlled" Russian money making, Russian influence Controlling carrot stick over vast parts of Europe.

There is a reason Xiden threatened to "End It" if Russia invaded Ukraine. This hits Russia's future income and influence potential Big Time.

If Russia wanted to do this as a means to justify hitting EU or Western interests. He didn't need to burn up and destroy his much needed profits and major EU influence.

He already has it and has had it. The US and every opossing EU country has been involved in facilitating the continuation of the Ukraineian war by proxy. They have not only given intelligence and guidance, monetary support and major military hardware.

Russia does not want others becoming more involved. They do not want WW3. They want Ukraine and its resources. To strengthen their future control and influence in the region and world.

[Artos]

I think we need to follow the smell that is coming from the new baltic pipeline...first article I've seen since Tucker touched on it yesterday.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/coincidence/


Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status...18088016355336



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[TMS951]

Great place for China to come in and really ratchet up the shit show. India too, but I think they’d rather play nice.

China has the capability to do it clandestinely and would also benefit as it would not interfere with their gas purchase from Russia. If anything it would drive their price down.

China.

[tn1911]

You are right. It makes no sense that the Russians blew up an extremely expensive newly constructed

I does when you factor in pure Russian stupidity and incompetents.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I saw the same thing circulating a couple days ago. Let’s be real here, Biden can’t even exit a stage without getting ****ing lost. You really thing he’s some kind of secret mastermind who’s plotting sensitive operations to mess with the Russians?

I have no problem eating crow if in fact Biden did this. But my statement still stands. All that’s happening is the kick off to WWIII and the loss of our fellow Americans.

Taking these quotes from Biden reminds me of how the press can twist a short statement by Trump that could maybe be interpreted to mean some thing, but really doesn’t mean what they think it says. Buijten was just roofing because gas sales are a major point of income for the Russians. Telling them that they could be turned off is just part of the whole sanctions culture. Are we supposed to think now that the same guy who can’t ride a bike or shake hands with imaginary people, or who is ignored on his own stage if Obama is in the room is some political and strategic mastermind ala von Clausewitz and has been planning this for months? Occam‘s razor that.

Polish GROM forces are supposed to be some wicked pipe-hitters. Maybe they actually hit a pipe this time. I would assume that they have a pretty good UDT program. This would be them giving the middle finger to Russia and Germany at the same time. Kind of freaking poetic if you ask me.

The Poles would love to pull a Cortez and sink the Germans path of escape from the war by “sinking“ the pipeline. No retreat.

[Todd.K]

You are right. It makes no sense that the Russians blew up an extremely expensive newly constructed "Russian Controlled" Russian money making, Russian influence Controlling carrot stick over vast parts of Europe.

I’m not saying it definitely is Russia, but I can come up with a couple of motives without any effort at all.

It was done for INTERNAL reasons. Mobilization (and the war) appears to be quite unpopular in Russia. This is the Lusitania or Pearl Harbor and proof that NATO is a threat, so also justification for starting the war.

As a wedge against sanctions. Winter gets bad, Europe has people freezing to death, Russia says “we would like to help but we can’t repair the pipelines without sanctioned parts and equipment.” Probably true, and gets them off the hook for the dead bodies.

[Allen]

Keep in mind that while idled on capacity (compared to NS1 and 2) Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhhorod pipeline is still there - just unhelpfully runs through Ukraine & requires russia to pay them for transit.
https://www.gem.wiki/Urengoy-Pomary-...d_Gas_Pipeline

[ODgreenpizza]

Nordstream 2 was completed but never put in service, this is the one Biden "threatened" earlier this year.

Nordstream 1 began tapering off in Feb as delivery contracts were fulfilled until the russian operator declared Force Majeur and ceased all deliveries like 6 weeks ago.

It doesn't hurt them to sabotage a pipeline they are not currently benefitting from. They benefit from NATO and western allies getting spun up and pointing fingers at each other. They benefit by demonstrating to the west they can threaten international infrastructure and they did it without provoking NATO directly. They benefit most by having something concrete to hold up for domestic propaganda as a NATO/Western attack on russia.

[gsd2053]

Nordstream 2 was completed but never put in service, this is the one Biden "threatened" earlier this year.

Nordstream 1 began tapering off in Feb as delivery contracts were fulfilled until the russian operator declared Force Majeur and ceased all deliveries like 6 weeks ago.

It doesn't hurt them to sabotage a pipeline they are not currently benefitting from. They benefit from NATO and western allies getting spun up and pointing fingers at each other. They benefit by demonstrating to the west they can threaten international infrastructure and they did it without provoking NATO directly. They benefit most by having something concrete to hold up for domestic propaganda as a NATO/Western attack on russia.

It would not have any real impact to blame the US for doing it. Xiden already outright publicly threatened " There will be no Nord Stream 2, We will bring an end to it." It would vastly be viewed as a positive from the EU Nations. Radoslaw Sikorski, a European Parliament member and a former Polish foreign minister, has thanked the US for damaging the Nord Stream.

This would only give credibility that the US is willing to keep their word.

Also the Nordstream 1 was in use. Russia had cut back on its supply to encourage the EU countries to not support their opposition in the Ukraine conflict.

That infrastructure being functional. Benefited Russia's ability to withhold much needed gas resources from Europe. Now that it is out of commission Russia has lost a very big carrot on a stick.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Keep in mind that while idled on capacity (compared to NS1 and 2) Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhhorod pipeline is still there - just unhelpfully runs through Ukraine & requires russia to pay them for transit.
https://www.gem.wiki/Urengoy-Pomary-...d_Gas_Pipeline

That is the craziest part of this whole war. And while the nuke plants seem to catch a shell every once in awhile, the gas infrastructure never seems to get molested...