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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post

    I hope the Officer was able to enjoy his leave, write a nice clear report of his actions, say the correct happy things to the shrink, and get back to duty in an orderly fashion.
    Well, at least the report will be short…

    The shooter was down, but did I read that he killed himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    If only they ALL went like this.
    I agree. Years ago I patrolled a beat that abutted the city of Tacoma and I was impressed with their professionalism. Team-players too. A lot of gun-guys in the PNW but this Officer is clearly a cut above most of us.

    I wonder if he is ex-Military? We shot at popup targets at (IIRC) 75, 150, & 300 meters but that was on the range, not the street...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    1. I totally agree, but that doesn't fit the narrative. Only cops screwing up or doing bad things fits the media narrative.

    2. This comment doesn't disparage the shooter in any way, but lets keep certain things in mind. One, he was not the only cop on scene, nor was he first. The threat distance was far away, there was no immediate threat to the officer. The book "On Killing" is not a favorite of mine by any stretch, but one of the things the author nailed involved distance to killing as a matter of mental trauma to the shooter. Mental trauma does not mean he freaks out and goes off on a stress disability, it simple means something out of the ordinary and against the raising of the shooter when they were a child. The VA coins this as "Moral Injury" for people who are unfamiliar with the term, and you can google it to get a better understanding, but I digress.

    Anyway, back to #2. Grossman points out in his book there is a level of disparity between the bomber pilot at 30,000 feet and the artilleryman, and the tanker, and the infantryman in a DFP, and the greatest disparity of all is the man who kills at point blank range while looking his subject in the eye as they fight hand to hand. The bomber pilot is killing many more people, so why does he have the least concern over his actions? Primarily (summing it up in generalities) because he never sees the faces, never hears the screams, never sees the damage, and is never directly threatened by those he is bombing. Please remember, this is a generalization. Change that scenario to the cop or military man who gets jumped by a bad guy and engages in hand to hand combat. The man who sticks in the knife or shoots the other while they are engaged in fighting each other. That cop or infantryman is exposed in the largest of ways. He feels the threat, he understands he will die if he loses, he sees and feels the reaction as he kills.

    Is it any wonder we see a difference in the reaction of the pilot versus the cop/ infantryman? Is it any wonder (training and previous experiences aside) we see a different reaction in the aftermath of officer involved shootings when we break them down the same way?

    It doesn't change all that much as cops when we interact with people in the street. The good people who are exposed to violence have not seen or lived it before, or if they have, its typically not often. They tend to be more anxious/ stressed when first contact is made. Change that to a street turd, and they play it as cool as the pain will allow. Its just part of life for them. They have seen it close up many times, and its nothing new much of the time.


    Once again I'll point out, this does not diminish the actions of the TPD Officer involved! The Officer is rock solid, with good training, good experiences, good equipment, and as much as I hate to say it about the brass, in this case he has good leadership (cough cough as I spit the taste of praising any the brass from my mouth). I hope the Officer was able to enjoy his leave, write a nice clear report of his actions, say the correct happy things to the shrink, and get back to duty in an orderly fashion.
    Not much to add, glad I'm not the only one who has read the classics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryr8828 View Post
    180 yards with no magnification is very impressive to me with my 65 year old eyes.
    Ditto but only 54 y/o.

    I think the tide turned after Uvalde and the public would support this - which is why you don't see it on the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Interesting gizmo.


    Pricey, too, $539.

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    Good job for the officer.
    How often do such distances come into play for the regular police officer?

    StyerAug out of curiosity what are the classics?
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    that loadout....



    Generic side charger, and what looks an Aero 300bo setup topped off with some airsoft RDS's. I guess someone should have told him the NFA is a thing.
    Last edited by OutofBatt3ry; 10-01-22 at 13:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Interesting gizmo.

    Just looks so damn TALL.

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    What's the attraction with the mount?


    Riots are like sports, it's better to watch it on TV at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    What's the attraction with the mount?
    Easier to use with a gas mask, some plates.

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