I’ll see your Dicken Drill and raise you 180yd shot on an Active shooter…

[jsbhike]

Sadly, Tacoma has a Seattle Commie for county prosecutor, or did last I knew. It was rather telling that despite the previous guy being a D himself, he was always very vocal about denouncing "Seattle Liberals"...

When I picked up on the Tacoma area I seemed to recall their .gov being rabidly anti-gun and memory did serve correctly.

[kaiservontexas]

This brought up a whacky thought. Is there ever a self defense situation that would require such distances? I ask this because if criminals/active shooters are going to start using carbines and rifles, which have longer reach. Then isn’t the possibility of having to engage a scumbag at distance becoming a higher probability?
The only instance I know of personally in which a Good Samaritan engaged a bad guy at distance happened back in the mid 90s in my area. Some schmuck I went to high school with, even got into a few fights with the person, graduated from delinquency to criminal by the time he was 18/19. He set up a group to steal cars and strip them for parts, which they did by stealing the cars out of this one subdivision all day long and strip those cars in a massive field behind it. Like the idiot he is he did this all day long, and as such got noticed and caught. The constables show up and a firefight ensued. The officer was outnumbered and was being flanked, but this old guy was driving up and noticed the chaos. The guy had a rifle in his truck, bolt action deer rifle, and began to open accurate fire on the criminals. This saved the officer from possibly being killed. I do not recall any fatalities, just wounded, and the criminals went to prison. Anyway, this is the only time I know of a self defense engagement at distance. Distance being 100 yards or less.

[Diamondback]

I'm not sure the legal environment has caught up to operational reality yet--Branca and several other self-defense-law specialists have raised concerns about extended ranges interacting with "presumption of innocence" requiring the fight come to you, "doctrine of competing harms" and some other things.

It seems to me that we need to go for a preemptive strike codifying the validity of RCP's and other "intermediates" between sidearm and longarm in self defense, just because of how many sheeple crap themselves at CCW never mind anything larger.

[kaiservontexas]

I'm not sure the legal environment has caught up to operational reality yet--Branca and several other self-defense-law specialists have raised concerns about extended ranges interacting with "presumption of innocence" requiring the fight come to you, "doctrine of competing harms" and some other things.

It seems to me that we need to go for a preemptive strike codifying the validity of RCP's and other "intermediates" between sidearm and longarm in self defense, just because of how many sheeple crap themselves at CCW never mind anything larger.

Yeah, I can see how folks will spaz over the concept of folks utilizing their long arms for self defense in public space at distances beyond the typical handgun. Nonetheless it is a concern, and I wait for a solid answers.

I will be honest the active shooter in Las Vegas during the concert from the hotel was the first event to get me to think about such things. Maybe those Kel-Tec SU folding carbines are not a bad concept. I do not mean owning the gun, just the concept of a easy to carry and conceal long arm. I like the idea of a truck/trunk gun, but never get comfortable with leaving a weapon in such an unsecured space. I never view vehicles as secure due to all the times cars are broken into, which last year became a common occurrence in my relatively crime free area. Seems some teenagers in the neighborhood got it into their heads that breaking into cars was a good way to find guns, and they were partially correct. Thankfully the police caught them before they could go do whatever it is they were planning to do with their stolen firepower. It was never said; so, I am not sure if they had no plans, looking to sale it all, or had worse in mind, but I believe worse. This all makes me miss back in the day when folks had rifle racks in their trucks and nobody ever bothered them.

[Diamondback]

I mocked up (never completed) a Mk 18-inspired briefcase build, and I'm toying with the idea of an EDC-bag ASDW alongside my EDC FAK and tablet case.

Actually, my looking into discreet-carry Mk 18 derivatives STARTED in reply to the Vegas shooting, trying to come up with something that could nestle into a laptop case or duffle-bag to be lo-viz yet still get a headshot with satisfactory terminal ballistics on a 400-yd Slant Range. (A few LE buddies and I based on the maps available figured that from Scumbag's window 20ish stories up into the crowd across the street was about 390.) This also explains my geekout re the GL/SSC for a similar concept, lob a smoker or a flashbang through the Active Shooter's murderhole and that should help disrupt his effectiveness while setting up for Lights Out.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm not sure the legal environment has caught up to operational reality yet--Branca and several other self-defense-law specialists have raised concerns about extended ranges interacting with "presumption of innocence" requiring the fight come to you, "doctrine of competing harms" and some other things.

It seems to me that we need to go for a preemptive strike codifying the validity of RCP's and other "intermediates" between sidearm and longarm in self defense, just because of how many sheeple crap themselves at CCW never mind anything larger.

Even with Castle Law states I think "sadly" most would expect you to retreat and given most of us aren't law enforcement in most cases that would probably be the wisest course of action unless you really were shooing in defense of others. Just understand that the courts, including your defense attorney, the judge and jury will have almost no real world understanding of these things.

[Diamondback]

Even with Castle Law states I think "sadly" most would expect you to retreat and given most of us aren't law enforcement in most cases that would probably be the wisest course of action unless you really were shooing in defense of others. Just understand that the courts, including your defense attorney, the judge and jury will have almost no real world understanding of these things.

Shades of other things--in light of my neuropathology, Mas once recommended that it would be prudent for my attorney and I to basically give the court an abbreviated college-level course on Autistic Psych should I ever find myself in a Defensive Shoot. In a nutshell, "be prepared to give a class in why you did what you did."

[SteyrAUG]

Shades of other things--in light of my neuropathology, Mas once recommended that it would be prudent for my attorney and I to basically give the court an abbreviated college-level course on Autistic Psych should I ever find myself in a Defensive Shoot. In a nutshell, "be prepared to give a class in why you did what you did."

Well you are already ahead of the game with "bring in expert witness testimony" vs "attempt to explain it to your defense attorney."

In South Florida, which is saturated with attorneys, I only knew TWO who actually knew "some of this stuff" when it came to firearms but both were personal injury attorneys.

[kaiservontexas]

I should have clarified, given the state of burning cities in certain areas not to long ago. I could see a reason for self defense at a distance. What I get for posting while feeling icky. Lastly my go to reasons would be simple enough and plan to see. I can’t run. Fun being disabled.

[MegademiC]

This is what the media should be putting out non stop.

As in.. This is what happens to shit bags immediately. **** around and find out.
Not much glory bleeding out on the pavement, didn't even go out in a hail of bullets.

He sounded in control before and after the shot, much different than other officer shootings I've watched. Like he was calling out a hit on the plate.

All this is exactly why you wont see it on MSM