Wilson Purchesed Lehigh Defense

[WillBrink]

Handgun rounds are not good for penetrating barriers, then performing as intended. I would like to see Wilson Combat test the LeHigh Defense cartridge while using denim, jacket leather and canvas duck material.

Done many times, some of which posted here already.

Eventually, we will see a number of shootings where LeHigh Defense ammunition was used and have the ability to collect real data.

Some day perhaps, I'd personally like to see formal testing which I suspect will come sooner.

[WillBrink]

I would NEVER carry this ammo. Since it is a hollowpoint at those speeds it will over expand and under penetrate.

Unless it was designed / engineered to perform specifically at those velocities as to penetration and expansion. I do like the barrier blind aspect of the Lehigh.

[T2C]

Done many times, some of which posted here already.



Some day perhaps, I'd personally like to see formal testing which I suspect will come sooner.

We were issued a high-speed service pistol cartridge that performed brilliantly during ballistic gelatin testing. It performed poorly in the field. People who worked in our central firearm training facility were big fans of the cartridge. Field personnel who were involved in shooting incidents and criminal investigators were not.

I'll wait for real world data before making a decision about a defensive pistol cartridge.

[WillBrink]

We were issued a high-speed service pistol cartridge that performed brilliantly during ballistic gelatin testing. It performed poorly in the field. People who worked in our central firearm training facility were big fans of the cartridge. Field personnel who were involved in shooting incidents and criminal investigators were not.

I'll wait for real world data before making a decision about a defensive pistol cartridge.

Makes sense. We all know the 5.7 story...

[1168]

Unless it was designed / engineered to perform specifically at those velocities as to penetration and expansion.

It isn’t. Its got a gaping maw, is lightweight, and is advertised to reduce penetration.

“Reduced over-penetration”

“We designed the Civil Defense line to eliminate threats with one round.”

“the hydraulic pressure builds until the side walls of the projectile explode. With that explosion comes rifle sized temporary cavities and hydrostatic shock, therefore increasing stopping power by tenfold. Following the explosion, the bullet fragments into a starburst shaped pattern”

“reduced over penetration and lessening the risk of unintended casualties”

[WillBrink]

It isn’t. Its got a gaping maw, is lightweight, and is advertised to reduce penetration.

Then I would never use it personally. Penetration is more important then expansion if it's a choice between one or the other. Modern JHPs do an excellent balance of both when they perform reliably, as intended. A JHP that expands early due to high velocity but fails to penetrate to hit the important stuff is fail.

[vicious_cb]

Remember these arent radically new designs, cavitation bullets have been around for a long time and never really caught on for good reason.

[yoni]

We were issued a high-speed service pistol cartridge that performed brilliantly during ballistic gelatin testing. It performed poorly in the field. People who worked in our central firearm training facility were big fans of the cartridge. Field personnel who were involved in shooting incidents and criminal investigators were not.

I'll wait for real world data before making a decision about a defensive pistol cartridge.

What was the velocity and caliber of the round?

[T2C]

What was the velocity and caliber of the round?

115g 9mm +P+. Average Velocity was 1,340 fps out of a 4" barrel. The bodies that I saw had exit wounds the size of entrance wounds. The autopsy photos that I reviewed showed the same results.

The cartridge was an excellent sub-machine gun round. I never saw autopsy photos of SMG deaths that involved fewer than a dozen hits, so I do not think it was indicative of performance from a handgun.

[vicious_cb]

I would NEVER carry this ammo. Since it is a hollowpoint at those speeds it will over expand and under penetrate.

Well the point Im trying to make is velocity isnt an indicator of capability. There are plenty of low velocity examples that perform fantastically like shotgun slugs, lever action magnums or even musket balls that are traveling at pistol velocities that make both massive temp. stretch cavities and perm. crush cavities in gel with excellent real world results.

These days I just go right past the marketing gimmicks of velocity and energy, for me it just comes down to what is the interaction between the bullet and tissue with or without intervening barriers.