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Thread: XM177: 5.5" moderator straight wall or conical?

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    Is it a true moderator or flash hider that looks like the moderator? A true moderator would require papers like a suppressor right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    Again cloning it.
    Are you trying to “clone” short barrel ballistics and not just the look, or did I not describe it well?

    Because I’ve seen one done that way, and it looks just as close to original as any 16” OAL without a real moderator.

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    Straight, with as much clearance as possible.

    You want the expanding bore gases to come out as symmetrically as possible, without kicking or tipping the bullet base and boat-tail in any particular direction, inducing bullet wobble about its axis -- why the National Match M14 flash suppressor was reamed out as opposed to tapered (kinda like in the diagram in your other thread).

    Nez Rongero in Austin builds some of the most accurate custom M16 barrels in national match competition. He starts with a 30-caliber A2 compensator because they have a wider base for threading (5/8" rather than 1/2-inch) and he can bore out a wider internal diameter.

    Example M14 flash suppressors -- standard on left, National Match on right:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    That sucks. You can always go NFA with the real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    Are you trying to “clone” short barrel ballistics and not just the look, or did I not describe it well?

    Because I’ve seen one done that way, and it looks just as close to original as any 16” OAL without a real moderator.
    I actually understand it. There is period correct and it's not going to be a duty gun anyway. Also putting a forward threaded flash that sleeves over the barrel is kind of like putting a fake suppressor on a MP5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    Are you trying to “clone” short barrel ballistics and not just the look, or did I not describe it well?

    Because I’ve seen one done that way, and it looks just as close to original as any 16” OAL without a real moderator.
    I just want a fun loosely built XM177 "clone". I like the clone game but not to the point of stressing over period correct parts vs repro. With that being said I also want to enjoy it at the range, so this one will have an A.R.M.S #2 on it with a Blood Diamond type optic because I much prefer optics over irons.

    I really hate the idea of fake anything be it a fake suppressor to hide a 16" barrel or a fake 5.5" flash hider to hide a 16" barrel, just not my personal cup of tea. I do not care at all about ballistics (not that SBR ballistics bother me as my favorite go to is my MK18) all I want to make sure is that accuracy is acceptable.

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    Good information Sinister! Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    I just want a fun loosely built XM177 "clone". I like the clone game but not to the point of stressing over period correct parts vs repro. With that being said I also want to enjoy it at the range, so this one will have an A.R.M.S #2 on it with a Blood Diamond type optic because I much prefer optics over irons.

    ... I want to make sure is that accuracy is acceptable.
    I get it.

    I wanted a "CAR-15" like I was issued in the old days. My desire to hit stuff where I'm aiming is always a consideration.

    ... so I bastardized the concept and built the CAR-15 I wanted. A detachable A1 carry handle (eh, why not?); a stainless Roscoe mid-gas barrel; free-float rail; and the Griffin XM Linear Comp (because I want it).

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    Nice stick! So Sinister what flash hider is that and how does it group with it? I'm sure I'm overthinking this but I always do.

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    It's the Griffin XM Comp.

    It's an iron-sight carbine -- I've never shot it with a scope, nor past 350 yards. It hits E-type targets.

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    I'd like to run across one of those Griffin XM Comps

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