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Thread: Should the 1911 grip safety have worked the "opposite" way?

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    Should the 1911 grip safety have worked the "opposite" way?

    A few other pistols, like Astras, have grip safeties that work the opposite way; the top of the insert goes into the grip frame instead of the bottom part.

    This way it's the web of your hand pushing it in, not the middle of the palm. I think this would have been more reliable, especially with a weak / wounded grip.

    Thoughts?

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    Since it was an after though that the army requested as Browning didn’t think it was necessary you’re probably right. With that said, you can adjust the trigger bar block on the grip safety so that it disengages with less pressure. Hilton Yam recommends disengagement half way through the grip safety travel.

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    If it’s fit and adjusted properly it’s not a issue even with a weak or compromised grip

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    This^

    Most production 1911’s come with GS tight/stiff as Hell. Pretty easy to adjust tension of “3 leaf” spring to suit yourself.
    A true "Gun Guy" (or gal) should have familiarity and a modicum of proficiency with most all firearms platforms.

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    And there's always adding a bump at the bottom for more positive disengagement.
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    I see. Thanks!

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    Having shot 1911's since the mid-70s, owned several, and still own, shoot, and carry multiple, I have never experienced any kind of a failure due to a grip safety or even known of one.

    That includes a period of IPSC type speed shooting, etc.

    A small bump like some are putting on is maybe not a bad idea, but I've never had an issue with pistols without them.

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    There is also Novak"s The Answer where the back of the 1911 grip and mainspring are one piece with no grip safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary1911A1 View Post
    There is also Novak"s The Answer where the back of the 1911 grip and mainspring are one piece with no grip safety.
    It is still offered on a couple of his current guns...

    http://www.novaksinc.com/novak-elite-combat-custom.html
    http://www.novaksinc.com/novak-adv-defense-pistol.html


    Ed Brown's Memory Groove beavertail is another option.
    https://www.edbrown.com/product-cate...grip-safeties/
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    This is an issue that I have strong opinions. The grip safety, in my opinion, is an archaic, ludicrous, ridiculous clusterf--k. The original JMB design did not have the GS. It was developed due to a Govt request. I carried a 1911 back in the late 80's to early 90's. I shortened the GS leg to disable it. There was a reason so many of the old timers, who carried the 1911, tied a piece of rawhide etc around the grip. My Pops and many of my relatives were LEO in the midwest from the 20's to the 60's and they told some interesting stories about this issue. Just last night I was discussing this issue with some of my shooting buddies. One still works at the range for a large metropolitan PD.

    He related that a PO, who carried a 1911 and was squared away--meaning he spent a lot of range time practicing with his 1911, got into a situation where a dirtbag needed to be shot. He drew his weapon and couldn't discharge the gun. He didn't activate the GS. There are numerous documented OIS where an officer drew a 1911 and failed to get it to fire based on failure to remove the thumb or disengage the GS.

    With that said, I competed in IPSC, Steel Challenge and other shooting sports for 25 plus years. There was a reason we pinned our grip safeties. I have witnessed many times where someone could not fire their gun due to the GS. I have a hard time always disengaging the GS. I have a high grip that actually pushed on the underside of the beavertail/top of the GS and my grip doesn't work in a fashion to always release the GS. I am well aware of how to modify a GS so it takes very little pressure/movement to work and even with the memory bumps, I regularly don't get the GS to release. Every staccato I have shot, I have the same problem.

    When the SHTF, stress and adrenaline does strange things to a person. I was informed of things from many of my relatives who had been there done that. I never appreciated what they said until my first "encounter." In the real world, you may be carrying something that you can't drop--your baby boy etc, and thinking you will always get the perfect grip is a bad plan. Just because it has never been an issue on a range, the real world is a cruel teacher.

    If I was King, I would have all 1911's created without the GS. With that said, my favorite handgun is the 1911. It is like a classic car. I have many 1911's and most are full custom builds. However, I would not chose to have a classic car as my daily driver nor carry a 1911 as my CCW. These are just my opinions based on my personal experience, stories from people who I trust, incidents that have been vetted, carrying a 1911 and competing with 1911's. I have well over 100,000 rounds downrange with 1911's and have witnessed millions (no exaggeration) of rounds discharged by 1911's. I will get off the soapbox. Again YMMV. I am just another guy on the internet with an opinion and not looking to argue.

    Cheers, Steve

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