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    Climatology and climatologist are a mixed bag of education and skills, not as focused as say someone with a degree in meteorology, atmospheric sciences or physics.

    In my very amateur opinion a basic undergraduate meteorologist is better trained to research “climate change” than most of the political charlatans that pollute the academic field of climatology.

    If y’all remember the scandals that engulfed the IPCC some years back? the director at the time was a guy named Rajendra Kumar Pachauri. What was his credentials to head up the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?

    None...

    He was an industrial engineer who built diesel locomotives for a living...
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    No, I watched it and it debunks ALL of the climate models used to create the debunked hockey stick that was the subject of my post and the academic fraud comitted by Michael Mann. In fact he is mentioned in the video as claiming the satellite data sets have been "debunked." Only further proof he and his fellow alarmists are frauds.

    Bottom line, it is normal for temperatures to fluctuate and a graudual warming can and likely will be followed by an oppositite cooling trend.

    "These models, 100% of them by the way, are warming the planet more than it actually is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    Global climate change is real' the earth's record proves it. Manmade global warming is suspect and the data is riddles with flaws and inaccuracies, made worse by politicization.

    The earth's gonna do what the earth's gonna do.
    Yeah the carboniferous period would of been a terrifying thing to experience! Scorpions the size of skateboards and dragonflies the size of radio controlled planes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Obviously the models are getting better, but they are still just slightly above a WAG beyond even short periods of time as you point out.
    Mathematicians will be the first to tell you that their models are projections based on assumptions, not predictions that are most likely going to happen. In math modeling is based on what’s called structures which are just sets of operations used to define or in this case measure a function. In weather forecasting some of the more complex sets are used to project the upper atmospheric analysis where you are trying to forecast anticipated changes to such things as the formation and evolution of fronts, steering currents and what the jet stream is and isn’t doing.

    All of these have to be updated every 12 hours while surface analysis is updated every 3 hours due to the rapidly changing nature of the most complicated system on earth, the weather...
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    We as a species have become remarkablly egotistical haven't we?
    Now we think we can controll the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    Global climate change is real' the earth's record proves it. Manmade global warming is suspect and the data is riddles with flaws and inaccuracies, made worse by politicization.

    The earth's gonna do what the earth's gonna do.
    Manmade warming or GACC if you will, invariably ignores one of the biggest statistical factors with which humans alter the climate. Those are the major urban areas of the world. If you want to “do your part”, then tear down your skyscrapers, rip up your concrete jungles and return to the earth itself. But they’re not gonna do that now are they?

    So IDGAF what some climate “scientist” tells me I have to sacrifice of mine in order to “save the planet”, when they’re never going to sacrifice their own sacred cows.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    We as a species have become remarkablly egotistical haven't we?
    Now we think we can controll the weather.
    Well, a couple of chemists from the General Electric Research Laboratory did make it snow back in the late 1940’s...

    Here’s an insane idea!

    Dimming the Sun to Cool the Planet Is a Desperate Idea, Yet We’re Inching Toward It

    The scientists who study solar geoengineering don’t want anyone to try it. But climate inaction is making it more likely.
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/annal...hing-toward-it
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    No, I watched it and it debunks ALL of the climate models used to create the debunked hockey stick that was the subject of my post and the academic fraud comitted by Michael Mann. In fact he is mentioned in the video as claiming the satellite data sets have been "debunked." Only further proof he and his fellow alarmists are frauds.

    Bottom line, it is normal for temperatures to fluctuate and a graudual warming can and likely will be followed by an oppositite cooling trend.

    "These models, 100% of them by the way, are warming the planet more than it actually is."
    And I took more nuance from that vid than you did apparently, but end of the day, he's pragmatic about and that's what is needed. Not hysteria the world is ending in 10 years if we don't give up our cars and meat, or denial the planet is warming, as he states it is. Normal trend or not, it's happening, just happening at a slower rate than the the models predict. "The planet is going to do what the planet is going to do" and that's how to approach it really. Many of the most far left types who started out thinking wind, solar, and hugs was the way, have realized that's impossible, and nuclear is the only real answer that makes sense:



    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    Mathematicians will be the first to tell you that their models are projections based on assumptions, not predictions that are most likely going to happen. In math modeling is based on what’s called structures which are just sets of operations used to define or in this case measure a function. In weather forecasting some of the more complex sets are used to project the upper atmospheric analysis where you are trying to forecast anticipated changes to such things as the formation and evolution of fronts, steering currents and what the jet stream is and isn’t doing.

    All of these have to be updated every 12 hours while surface analysis is updated every 3 hours due to the rapidly changing nature of the most complicated system on earth, the weather...
    However, the value of models is to make predictions, and the models that exist seem very limited in the accuracy of their predictive power, no doubt due to the almost impossible number of factors that have to be account for to get accurate predictions. The models continue to improve I'd expect, but predicting with any accuracy past a few days the weather patterns of an entire planet is a monumental project.

    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    We as a species have become remarkablly egotistical haven't we?
    Now we think we can controll the weather.
    Not become, part of the human condition since God or nature produced humans since day one. We have viewed ourselves the center of everything from day one, and those who pointed out that was not the case, were burned at the stake or what have you. If anything, we are less egotistical now then we were not long ago as a species. Too little too late to prevent snuffing ourselves out? I give it a 50/50 currently.
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    You don't make money or policy (and money through policy) by being resonable Will. Hysteria is required to foment the climate religion and actions we are seeing today.

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