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Thread: CDC says Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children

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    Even if taken at face value, then what? Ban guns, automobiles, and any form of water deeper than half an inch?

    Reducing motor vehicle deaths is very complex. It is the subject of a multifaceted campaign involving vehicle design and construction, road design and construction, public outreach and law enforcement. They study and address root causes. They attack contributing factors. They hold people (and corporations) responsible for their own misdeeds. They DO NOT ban cars.

    Me: "Hmm. Maybe we should look at and address gun deaths in a similar way."

    Them: "No! Ban all evil guns."

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    Have the drug companies develop a Vaccine for this.
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    Well, until anyone can cite any data to refute it, you can call bullshit all you want and that's no better than sticking your tongue out and crying "nanny nanny boo boo."

    These statistics are raw numbers: All types (homicides, suicides, accidental, etc.), all demographics, all geographics. But we know once you start diving into the numbers the data skews: urban centers, specific ethnicities, specific age range (I bet it's not 5 year-olds making the bulk of those numbers), etc.

    The other frustration I have is the CDC does not include any deaths of any children under 1 because that population has specific, non-age adjusted pathologies. OK, fine, but if you want to do that, then make age-adjusted COD for ethnicities, age groups, and locations and let the data fall where it may.

    I would also say the overall number isn't that high relative to total number of guns: 5.6/100,000 children with > 300,000,000 guns. So if there are 276,000,000 vehicles the percentage of children who die from auto deaths (roughly 4.6/100,000) is higher than those who die from firearms.

    Ain't statistics fun??

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    I'm willing to hold gun laws with the same reverance Democrats use with voting laws at this point.

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    Where was the CDC on abortion.. out of curiosit? I don't recall them clamoring about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Where was the CDC on abortion.. out of curiosit? I don't recall them clamoring about that.
    I 'think' (obviously cannot prove) that's one reason they wont report data for under 1 YO. Abortion makes their numbers messy. And in 100% of the cases, it would be death by infanticide (homicide).

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    There are roughly 625,00 abortions a year in the US... so even if the BS CDC stat was true (which I doubt), it would still be small potatoes for child death stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    There are roughly 625,00 abortions a year in the US... so even if the BS CDC stat was true (which I doubt), it would still be small potatoes for child death stats.
    Is that 62,500, or 625,000? Either would be a significant number for the <1 age range (which they exclude).

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    Where does the CDC say this? I can’t find it anywhere on their website, and the claim would conflict with the data provided on their pages on “firearms”, “violence”, and “mortality”.

    I’m calling bullshit. I don’t believe the stat, and I don’t believe the CDC reported it. I do know the kernel of truth that was twisted, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1168 View Post
    Where does the CDC say this? I can’t find it anywhere on their website, and the claim would conflict with the data provided on their pages on “firearms”, “violence”, and “mortality”.

    I’m calling bullshit. I don’t believe the stat, and I don’t believe the CDC reported it. I do know the kernel of truth that was twisted, though.
    There's a link to a CDC reference at the end: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

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