Will M4C and the GOP finally Dump Trump after his call to terminate the Constitution?

**bigfeetz** · 12-03-22, 20:06

Originally Posted by hotbiggun42

I worked for a construction supply house for years. Most large contractors are hell to do business with.

Yep, but he paid...settled because in the end he knew he would have to anyway and it was cheaper to settle than continue to pay the court costs. This isolated anecdote isnt the only reason i cant stand him...this just put him on my radar and his news coverage decades ago centered on the Epstein\Clinton stuff...all his other financial lawsuits ...his shmoozing with Clintons. i dont label a guy a goat-****er just because somebody told me they saw him ****ing a goat...i wait around for some proof.. or supporting context

**Artos** · 12-03-22, 21:49

Trump won 2020 by a freak'n landslide & your Desantis / Jesus (insert whatever your dream team 100% sure fire winner ticket is) won't win 2024...the fix is in.

Trump would slaughter it again if we had legit elections in 24 as would a shaved baboon...it's not about who's on the ticket. Fighting the wrong battle.

**AndyLate** · 12-03-22, 21:57

Its funny to me that the left leaners are the only ones on the board who read Trump's posts, but they still feel driven to take the conservative members to task over what he says.

Andy

**HKGuns** · 12-03-22, 22:02

Originally Posted by Artos

Trump won 2020 by a freak'n landslide & your Desantis / Jesus (insert whatever your dream team 100% sure fire winner ticket is) won't win 2024...the fix is in.

Trump would slaughter it again if we had legit elections in 24 as would a shaved baboon...it's not about who's on the ticket. Fighting the wrong battle.

This exactly.

**SteyrAUG** · 12-03-22, 22:43

Originally Posted by bigfeetz

I dont worry about Trump winning again, the alternative is usually just as bad, as recent history has shown. I was ( and still am) a "never-trumper" long before the term was coined. My decision was never based on what he did as President ( although my suspicions werent far off). My decisions were based on what he was before he was President and somewhat on the campaign he ran the first time...where he bold-faced declared he knew the system was rigged...because he helped rig it and exploited it. To be frank...I am just as much a "never Clintoner", "never Bidener" with the same conviction...for basically the same reasons

So besides sparing us from the Hillary presidency, we got a couple decent supreme court nominations and quite honestly that satisfied ALL of my expectations from a real estate developer / reality tv show host who wanted to be president because Obama snubbed him at some DC "look at me" dinner.

The "Never Trump" people I hate the most are the ones who closed ranks to stand on his dick in order to protect their own place at the money trough. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the same Rinos who co opted the Tea Party did everything they could to prevent any real change. The thought of an outsider terrified them and that is why most of us voted for him. Let's keep in mind these are the same useless f'ers who ran Romney...TWICE.

The reality is he drowned in the swamp, navigating government isn't the same as being a CEO and getting everything you want. Once the guys in the GOP started burning him, THEY became the enemy. That meant he had no friends anywhere and that also meant he was done. He also seems to take defeat of any kind really personally and he lashes out. It's what gave him the drive to win the presidency and in the end it's what cost him the presidency.

Trump was probably a valuable course correction, but we need to move on. Hopefully to something better. Also this crap is damn premature, the primaries won't be until Feb of 2024.

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 12-04-22, 00:45

Originally Posted by hotbiggun42

Trump is a Russian spy. Lol

After reading his tweat i must say he has a good point. Op i think Trump is being sarcastic and asking the question.

Originally Posted by sandsunsurf

I don’t get the sarcastic vibe, and honestly he is rarely sarcastic. I don’t think he has a good enough grasp of the English language to be sarcastic - not saying he’s not smart in other realms, but I’ve actually wondered if he has a writing/reading disorder in the past.

He is often sarcastic, and his opponents don’t see it. Trying to make as criminal case out of his “Russia, if you have Hillary’s emails….”. But sarcasm only works if there is a kernel of truth in it.

The problem with Trump is he jumps to stage W when he has only set the table for A, B, and C. He does this all the time with stuff. He just goes to the end point he wants because he is to impatient to build a case. He has enough followers that will support anything he says, and he gets that into a feedback loop. So he goes with the most simplistic message, with out any kind of plan to get from A to Z, and he crashes and burns under any kind of scrutiny.

So his ‘Stolen election’ based on a simplistic message about votes means that he can’t communicate the more complex story of a rigged election through the media and elites.

Democracy? Trump needs to start talking about the ‘Sham-ocracy’ where our intel services, law enforcement, media and embedded govt collude to keep themselves in power.

He did a good job with the embedded govt with “the swamp”, he needs to do the same with the other two and then tie it together. He had plenty of opportunity to do this, but he keeps pushing too simple of a narrative that can be easily dismissed.

So a ‘sham-ocracy’ or a “cancer in our country” that must be dealt with.

The problem is that you can’t move to the more complex and relevant story with Trump flooding the zone with stupid stuff like this.

**Buncheong** · 12-04-22, 01:06

"Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else."

- Hans-Hermann Hoppe

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 12-04-22, 01:28

Don’t agree with that simplistic statement. The reality is that democracy is not a way to run a govt and make decisions, it is a safety valve to ensure that the people in govt respect our rights and competently manage govt affairs.

This is just the latest example of Trump’s impulsiveness and lack of self-control. The second in a week? This isn’t gaining him any votes, only losing them. Reminds me of after Bill Clinton and the Monica crap, there was the “No one left to lie to”. Trump is entering that kind of death spiral.

ETA: So, we finally get a glimpse at the Biden laptop and the machinations that social media, the DNC, and the govt went to to suppress it and make Biden president- A HUGE story with significant implications—- but because of Trump’s lack of self control and his narcissism, it is all about him and this stupid line about the constitution.

Look, can can make the same impact by saying that the dems are so devious, that they found a way to cheat in a manner that even the founders couldn’t address in the constitution.

But no, Trump has to basically set up a one-man circular firing squad- a true political gift if you ask me.

So not only does Trump divert attention from the real story, he reinforces the ‘insurrection’ narrative. A real two-fer screw up.

It could come out that Trump has a micro-penis, and Trump would be thrilled that everyone is talking about his junk.