STRAIGHT UP Attemped Murder, UPDATE IN OP.

[SteyrAUG]

The lesson learned is the SO needs their own swat team has a lot more to do with why he got shot than anything the victim did.

And I don't disagree. But my only real point of concern is "don't trust the police to NOT shoot you, do everything you can to help them NOT shoot you." A whole generation has been taught to film the police with their phones, that is probably a reasonably safe thing to do with hundreds of other people in the middle of the day.

But if it's middle of the night or a similar situation as shown in the video it is probably for the best to have NOTHING in your hands. Being "in the right" is pretty meaningless if you just got shot 4 times.

[SteyrAUG]

Who made the decision for everything to unfold in the wee hours of the morning to reduce the chances of him having a clearer head?

Do you really think I'm trying to assign blame to the guy who got shot? If so, you are working real hard to not understand a single thing I have written.

[SteyrAUG]

Was not talking about anyone in particular but you see this in every gun forum. Hell I even agree with you, if I have any encounter with LEO,my whole mindset is "don't get shot by the cops." I mean why is it that I have to worry about the police accidentally shooting me for moving my hands the wrong way during a traffic stop just as much as I am trying to "not get shot" by someone mugging me at gunpoint. So if I feel like the danger of getting accidentally shot by LEO is equal to that of getting shot by a mugger at gun point doesnt that mean there is something fundamentally wrong with the way LEO and civilians interact?

Lots and lots of reasons, some understandable and many that are completely unacceptable but remain the reality of our situation.

The long and short is during a contact, you don't know which cops you are going to get. Are you going to get the calm professional who is 100% good with you and your carry weapon and is just running your ID because you blew through a yellow light and will send you on your way if everything checks out good? Or are you gonna get the guy cop that thinks NOBODY should own a gun let alone carry a gun and thinks the only reason you have it is so you can shoot people?

Just like they don't know who or what they are pulling over, we don't know who we are gonna get when they pull us over. But a LOT of which kind of cop we deal with has to do with OUR demeanor. Cops very quickly make a judgement about us "seems safe vs. seems dangerous" and it's almost 100% body language, the words we say and if we are coming across as aggressive / confrontational. We obviously are in control of a LOT of that.

In almost every case where I've been pulled over or otherwise stopped be LEOs simply being calm, rationale and whenever possible "helpful" has contributed to changing their demeanor to calm, professional and cooperative. Granted that gets harder to do at 2am with a SWAT team responding to a "shots fired" call out, but it is still in your best interest to help get them from condition orange down to a nice mellow yellow where nobody gets shot.

When everyone gets calmed down and you are standing in your yard in your underwear (probably)...then everyone can figure out who is right and wrong and what is actually going on because that isn't gonna get sorted out if even one of them think your phone or the robot they just threw in your trailer, which is now in your hand "might" be a gun. And it only takes one idiot to get the shooting started and there is usually at least one in every group.

[SteyrAUG]

And the attempted cover-up.

This is kind of sickening.

Media complicity is a huge factor in many of these stories. Glad to see them finally getting called out in a well documented way.

[jsbhike]

Do you really think I'm trying to assign blame to the guy who got shot? If so, you are working real hard to not understand a single thing I have written.

With you, no.

Just think it is a better idea to eliminate the root cause of the disease instead of treating late stage symptoms with hopes to prevent worsening of the illness

[jsbhike]

I know right? Everytime there is clearly a bad shoot the same people come out of the woodwork and say "well he should have had his hands way up in the air palms open when they face the cops".

Don't forget, in the rare cases where it appears the LE involved might get charged, some variation of the comment "this is starting to look bad" along with a link to the news concerning the new twist to the incident.

[Sidneyious]

You are 100% correct. But, the ole boy was sound asleep two minutes earlier, confused
& scared to death. He just wasnt thinking. This has bothered me so much, I just cannot get over that lying ass report.

Im at the age where it takes me around a full hour after waking up to be fully conscious of what the hell is going on.

[jsbhike]

Rick Gore's take on it.

[Straight Shooter]

Ive updated this in the 1st post.

[jsbhike]

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UPDATE: Apparently NC news is JUST NOW getting this story out. .

On a similar note, I don't think I have seen mention of this in KY news(body was dumped about an hour from where I live) and is barely mentioned in TN news despite likely being the biggest news story to come out of the area in years which is another one that makes the oft repeated "media just hates and attacks police" claim laughable.

https://napavalleyregister.com/news/...efea7832e.html