Drug Decriminalization Behind Terrifying Cartel-Style Killings In California

[Averageman]

A big part of this is caused by California's political greed.
So how much is marijuana taxed in California?
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/kcrw...nabis-taxes-la
So if you tax something at 38% to decriminialize something, you've just shot yourself in the Butt. Someone's going to the black market to get around that 38% tax.

[WillBrink]

A big part of this is caused by California's political greed.
So how much is marijuana taxed in California?
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/kcrw...nabis-taxes-la
So if you tax something at 38% to decriminialize something, you've just shot yourself in the Butt. Someone's going to the black market to get around that 38% tax.

The entire idea of legalization and the gov and or private industry being involved is, just like booze, they can produce and sell it far cheaper and will win out in a free market competition. If you don't achieve that, and the illegal source is still less $ (cuz you're a greedy moron, etc who does not understand basic econ 101), then the illegal sources will remain.

Leave it to CA to F that up. Speaking of dummies who can't figure that out, there's a large black market for cigarettes in Canada smuggled from the US. Canada's taxes are so high, it's cheaper to buy black market smuggled in:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thund...ttes-1.5995075

[Todd.K]

For example, we know the decriminalization of weed by so many states has cut deep into cartel profits, so they shifted to...

You think the cartels are not involved in the domestic growing and trafficking of pot?

They use slave laborers to work the farms in my area.

Before growing pot was legal here they would do it out on public lands.

Oregon is that decriminalized paradise you want, pot, hard drugs, we even just legalized growing shrooms. But somehow I still can’t buy Sudafed without a Rx when I get the flu.

Come check us out, bring a tent, camp wherever you want, just watch out for the needles.

[jsbhike]

You think the cartels are not involved in the domestic growing and trafficking of pot?

They use slave laborers to work the farms in my area.

Before growing pot was legal here they would do it out on public lands.

Oregon is that decriminalized paradise you want, pot, hard drugs, we even just legalized growing shrooms. But somehow I still can’t buy Sudafed without a Rx when I get the flu.

Come check us out, bring a tent, camp wherever you want, just watch out for the needles.

Same thing with alcohol through the centuries. .Gov swings for the fence with taxation which makes off the books production worth the risk along with all that involves.

Oregon Department of Revenue : Marijuana : Businesses : State of Oregon
https://www.oregon.gov/dor/programs/...n%20localities.

"Licensed retailers
Retailers licensed by the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission (OLCC) are required to charge a retail sales tax of 17 percent for all recreational marijuana sold. In some cases, retailers must also charge customers an additional 3 percent for Oregon localities."

[Averageman]

Same thing with alcohol through the centuries. .Gov swings for the fence with taxation which makes off the books production worth the risk along with all that involves.

Oregon Department of Revenue : Marijuana : Businesses : State of Oregon
https://www.oregon.gov/dor/programs/...n%20localities.

"Licensed retailers
Retailers licensed by the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission (OLCC) are required to charge a retail sales tax of 17 percent for all recreational marijuana sold. In some cases, retailers must also charge customers an additional 3 percent for Oregon localities."

Here's the trick, when the State adds 17% tax, then the municiplaities add in a 17% tax, well, then we end up with issues.
I've got amature backwoods distillers on both side of my family, when you make a quality product, it doesn't really matter. During Prohibition my Grandmother sold Brandy to a local Doctor who could buy as much Brandy as he wanted at the Pharmacy, he preffered Miss Sis's Brandy.

[LoboTBL]

You think the cartels are not involved in the domestic growing and trafficking of pot?

They use slave laborers to work the farms in my area.

Before growing pot was legal here they would do it out on public lands.

Oregon is that decriminalized paradise you want, pot, hard drugs, we even just legalized growing shrooms. But somehow I still can’t buy Sudafed without a Rx when I get the flu.

Come check us out, bring a tent, camp wherever you want, just watch out for the needles.

Oregon has no state sales tax yet taxes marijuana at 17%. Of course there is going to be a market for black market weed there.

[Averageman]

Oregon has no state sales tax yet taxes marijuana at 17%. Of course there is going to be a market for black market weed there.

There is always going to be a "Black Market", but when the State and Municiplaties start 17% at State and 17% at the municiplaity then it goes haywire.

[utahjeepr]

There is always going to be a "Black Market", but when the State and Municiplaties start 17% at State and 17% at the municiplaity then it goes haywire.

Coupled with the fact that the cartels control most of the street sales and a good chunk of the legal sales. They can't lose.

[Todd.K]

By that logic Oregon should also be awash in bootleg liquor. I’ve never seen any or heard of any outside of hobbyists.
https://taxfoundation.org/state-dist...ts-taxes-2021/
That’s on top of the Federal tax.

Potheads, and their apologists are generally full of shit. I was a lot more agnostic about pot before I was lied to, and the whole thing was thrown wide open with no plan for any enforcement of basic regulations.

“We should treat marijuana like alcohol!”
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“Well, except for taxing it…”
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“And all that licensing and regulation on the manufacturers…”
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“Or rules that it can only be sold in specific, regulated stores…”

I don’t think the scale is well known or understood outside of the area.
https://www.mailtribune.com/top-stor...d-2-7-billion/

https://www.mailtribune.com/top-stor...-rogue-valley/

[WillBrink]

You think the cartels are not involved in the domestic growing and trafficking of pot?

They use slave laborers to work the farms in my area.

Before growing pot was legal here they would do it out on public lands.

Oregon is that decriminalized paradise you want, pot, hard drugs, we even just legalized growing shrooms. But somehow I still can’t buy Sudafed without a Rx when I get the flu.

Come check us out, bring a tent, camp wherever you want, just watch out for the needles.

Where did I say that? What I know is LE and those with an agenda to perpetuate the (failed by any metric) war on drugs will claim cartel involvement when it's likley not, and what actual % involved, I don't know. It's also not relevant to my main points made.