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    SBR's and the NFA a brief history

    in 1934 the NFA was enacted during Roosevelts first term , it was in theory meant to manage certain firearms that were the bread and butter tools of Gangsters , up until this time one could walk into a general store and walk out with Full Auto weapons , oh were they the days

    the targeted weapons were Handguns , Shotguns , and Full Auto weapons . It was quickly recognized that one could cut the stock and barrel on lets say a .30 M1 Carbine and still call it a rifle , so it was amended to include 'Short Barreled rifles" that were described to have a barrel length 18 inches or less ,the thought process , and argument to have them added to the NFA was that they would/could ultimately be modified to have the same characteristics that landed "Handguns" originally on the NFA

    having the handguns on the NFA met strong resistance and was robustly challenged and ultimately having them removed from NFA Regulatory , however , even though SBR's were added to the NFA specifically for the ability to be modified to have the same characteristics of Handguns , SBR's were not included in the litigation that resulted in the removal of handguns from the NFA and has lingered on to this day as a biproduct of Handguns having originally been under NFA , never to have been challenged , in short , if Handguns were never to have been included in the 1934 NFA in the first place there would have never been a discussion EVER about SBR's and certainly would have never been included under NFA

    fast forward to the 1960's , the government had a surplus of WW2 .30 caliber M1 Carbines , not sure the exact number but im sure Butt Load would be a accurate tally , they decided to have the NRA sell them to joe shmo public , the country was flooded with M1 carbines in possession by joe public ,facilitated by the Federal Government , however someone realized they made the mother of all screw ups , M1 Carbines have a barrel length of 16 3/4 inches , so in a conscience effort to not draw attention to this the simply decided to change "Rifle" barrel lengths to 16 inches in turn cleaning up their mess , this is why Shotguns are still 18 inches and rifles are 16 inches so the amendment came to be in the 1968 Gun Control Act

    the fact is there should never had been a distinction for rifle barrel lengths in the first place , SBR's should have been removed when the Handguns were removed from the NFA , SBR's on the NFA is the equivalent to someone taking a pull on your beer and leaving back wash in the bottle
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    Another brief history from Forgotten Weapons.

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    There are several lawsuits pending addressing the pistol brace fiasco. Are these lawsuits also bringing the SBR portion of NFA under scrutiny?
    Any congressional oversight examining these issues?

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    The SBR thing is just brainless maintaining of the way "we've always done it". Of course since it's bureaucratic retardation, Idiots like it. Removing wasteful bureaucracy doesn't even compute in a moron's brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopharted View Post
    ... targeted weapons were Handguns , Shotguns , and Full Auto weapons . It was quickly recognized that one could cut the stock and barrel on lets say a .30 M1 Carbine and still call it a rifle , so it was amended to include 'Short Barreled rifles" that were described to have a barrel length 18 inches or less ,the thought process , and argument to have them added to the NFA was that they would/could ultimately be modified to have the same characteristics that landed "Handguns" originally on the NFA
    Fair logic, except the M1 Carbine didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    Fair logic, except the M1 Carbine didn't exist.
    What?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopharted View Post
    in 1934 the NFA was enacted during Roosevelts first term
    In 1938, the chief of infantry requested that the ordnance department develop a "light rifle" or carbine, though the formal requirement for the weapon type was not approved until 1940.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bret View Post
    What?
    Not sure how that works.

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