CAG will take anyone?

[ABNAK]

At that point Seals were a victim of their own fame and all anyone in Washington knew was "Send in some seals" because they can do EVERYTHING. For all of his CIA background, Bush 41 was a complete retard when it came to this stuff and it took an even bigger FU under Clinton for people to forget it.

To be fair, Bush 41 probably did not make out the op-plan as to who did what and where. I could be wrong but he likely left the finer workings to his .mil people.

Having said that, I have read where Obama asked for ST6 to do the Bin Laden raid, as they had pulled off the Maersk Alabama thing pretty well. Others have said that ST6 had that portion of Pakistan as their area of responsibility anyway, so maybe someone can confirm or deny this.

[chuckman]

To be fair, Bush 41 probably did not make out the op-plan as to who did what and where. I could be wrong but he likely left the finer workings to his .mil people.

Having said that, I have read where Obama asked for ST6 to do the Bin Laden raid, as they had pulled off the Maersk Alabama thing pretty well. Others have said that ST6 had that portion of Pakistan as their area of responsibility anyway, so maybe someone can confirm or deny this.

At that point the Navy had Afghanistan, the Army had Iraq. It just came down to who was assigned to what areas.

[ABNAK]

At that point the Navy had Afghanistan, the Army had Iraq. It just came down to who was assigned to what areas.

Roger that, it is in keeping with other things I had read. Obama might still have asked for them, but it was their AOR anyhow.

I despised Obama and his administration, but one of the only funny things I ever heard about with that crew was regarding the Bin Laden raid: All the mucketty-mucks were watching the whole thing go down live. Once Bin Laden had been killed they had to confirm the body was his. He was a like 6'4" and his body was stretched out and a DEVGRU guy of similar height laid down next to his corpse for comparison. Obama was reported to have commented "Jeez, a highly trained SEAL team like that and you think someone would've brought a tape measure". I have to admit I got a chuckle out of that.

[WillieThom]

Roger that, it is in keeping with other things I had read. Obama might still have asked for them, but it was their AOR anyhow.

I despised Obama and his administration, but one of the only funny things I ever heard about with that crew was regarding the Bin Laden raid: All the mucketty-mucks were watching the whole thing go down live. Once Bin Laden had been killed they had to confirm the body was his. He was a like 6'4" and his body was stretched out and a DEVGRU guy of similar height laid down next to his corpse for comparison. Obama was reported to have commented "Jeez, a highly trained SEAL team like that and you think someone would've brought a tape measure". I have to admit I got a chuckle out of that.

I think I read, in one of the many books I have on the subject, that Obama even presented McRaven with a tape-measure (it may have even been gold-plated?) as a joke when he met the SEALs up at Fort Campbell.

[ABNAK]

I think I read, in one of the many books I have on the subject, that Obama even presented McRaven with a tape-measure (it may have even been gold-plated?) as a joke when he met the SEALs up at Fort Campbell.

Oh that would be classic! Even though it involved Obama it is funny if true. For McRaven it would have been embarrassing to have a Lefty POTUS hand you a gag gift.

[JediGuy]

For McRaven it would have been embarrassing to have a Lefty POTUS hand you a gag gift.

Are you sure? He was pretty open about voting for Biden and how terrible Trump was.

[ABNAK]

Are you sure? He was pretty open about voting for Biden and how terrible Trump was.

Well I was referring to him as a military commander, something like that gag gift should have been a bit embarrassing! IIRC he also made some anti-gun statements too didn't he?

[SteyrAUG]

Are you sure? He was pretty open about voting for Biden and how terrible Trump was.

I don't know why we always imagine Seal and Delta dudes must be exactly like us, especially politically.

The bad news is about 50% of those guys also vote D.

The military in general is also pretty notorious for "I support the 2nd amendment BUT nobody needs a (uzi, belt fed, grenade launcher, etc.) Lots of those guys come home and will never touch an AR-15 again because that is what they had to carry in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. and nobody else needs on either. There is also a little bit of "I'm the only one special enough because of training and experience." It can take an extra helping of critical thinking to not fall into those mindsets.

[BoringGuy45]

I don't know why we always imagine Seal and Delta dudes must be exactly like us, especially politically.

The bad news is about 50% of those guys also vote D.

The military in general is also pretty notorious for "I support the 2nd amendment BUT nobody needs a (uzi, belt fed, grenade launcher, etc.) Lots of those guys come home and will never touch an AR-15 again because that is what they had to carry in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. and nobody else needs on either. There is also a little bit of "I'm the only one special enough because of training and experience." It can take an extra helping of critical thinking to not fall into those mindsets.

SOF is still a very right leaning group of guys. Leftist ex-SOF guys are few and far between. As for the rest of the military, most veterans I know are pretty conservative and pretty pro-gun, especially if they were in combat units. From what I've seen, among combat troops, the ones most likely to be left-leaning are officers.

[SteyrAUG]

SOF is still a very right leaning group of guys. Leftist ex-SOF guys are few and far between. As for the rest of the military, most veterans I know are pretty conservative and pretty pro-gun, especially if they were in combat units. From what I've seen, among combat troops, the ones most likely to be left-leaning are officers.

I would imagine you don't spend much time around leftist veterans. As a person who from time to time demonstrates weapons to the military, it's about the same breakdown as civie world. Given that the military has allowed things to move from "everything and everyone is green" to BLM is important and white officers need to learn to check their privilege, things have gotten a little worse.