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Thread: H&K P30 endurance test

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    H&K P30 endurance test

    This is pretty much ancient history by now, although I'm just now reading about it. Given modern materials and manufacturing processes, could other handguns produce similar results?

    The Final Numbers
    • 91,622 rounds
    • 13 total stoppages
    • 322 days
    • 110 range trips (average 682 rounds per trip)
    • 512 total hours on the range (the P30 was regularly fired 350-550 rounds per hour)
    • 15 different types of ammunition from 8 different manufacturers
    • Gun cleaned a total of 13 times between the first shot and the last (average 5,769 rounds between cleanings).

    https://hk-usa.com/wp-content/upload...t_JAN_2011.pdf
    Last edited by Slater; 03-17-23 at 10:42.

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    I’d say that most of the current guns out there wouldn’t fare so well over that many rounds.

    HK does build well engineered handguns that work and hold up extremely well. Look at HK guns and see how many revisions they’ve had to make to them over the years vs everyone else.

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    There's also the case of the USP 9 that went through zero spring replacement through 200,892 rounds (https://twitter.com/HecklerAndKoch/s...60025396174848), and the USP 45 that went through >297,000 rounds (https://www.hkpro.com/threads/a-chat.../#post-1204796).

    A bit more background on the P30 endurance test: https://pistol-training.com/p30-thur...eek-forty-two/

    TLG did multiple endurance tests, such as an HK45 with 50k rounds (https://pistol-training.com/hk45-end...hirty-seven-2/), a Gen4 Glock 17 with 71,260 rounds (https://pistol-training.com/gen4-glo...test-month-16/), and a Springfield/Warren 9mm 1911 with 64,579 rounds (https://pistol-training.com/springfi...est-report-31/).

    I know Chuck Taylor had a Gen2 Glock 17 with >250k rounds: https://www.ballisticmag.com/glock-1...re-test-ocean/

    I guess the real question is, how much does rate of fire matter for handguns in terms of endurance? For rifles, you can certainly burn up the barrel quite a bit faster depending on cadence, would be curious to see how much the extra heat of rapid fire and the like would impact a handgun. I would think that the ammo used would also make a big difference, such as a bunch of +P ammo versus competition bunny farts. I would cautiously think that most reputable modern 9mm handguns with proper care could reach 100k rounds (Glocks, H&Ks, Berettas, and CZs, probably SIGs, FNs, Walthers, and S&Ws, maybe Springfields) with minor parts replacement.

    RIP TLG, he was extremely influential in how I started handgun shooting.
    Last edited by Defaultmp3; 03-17-23 at 16:30.
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    Get a P30 dude!
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    I’m really having a hard time not ordering a P30 LEM from Langdon Tactical.

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    I like my HKs.....but don't really shoot them that much or carry them.

    Might be time to sell a few...but most likely keeping my P30LEM, it's just a well built gun, well most HKs are..

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    I own 3 P30’s and think they are amazing guns. I’ve always wondered how the VP9’S would hold up under similar test.

    I also think they make the best mags in the world, which is part of their high reliability.

    PB
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    HKs are great guns. The new micro SFP9CC looks great too. Let’s see once it hits the market.

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    HKs primary market is absolutely first and foremost Military/ Govt sales/ programs, LE sales are a far 2nd place and a huge distant 3rd place ( think a different continent!)is Civilian sales. It’s always been that way and there firearms show it. They have made forays into specific Civy market niches but not as of late. There firearms made to exceed any known testing standards and protocols for various military and Government trials. While the feel and ergonomics of one line might be better subjectively, objectively their accuracy, reliability and quality are a constant. I too look forward to the SFP9CC and see where it goes. I’ll buy one just on HKs reputation which I won’t do with any other firearm manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNXII View Post
    HKs primary market is absolutely first and foremost Military/ Govt sales/ programs, LE sales are a far 2nd place and a huge distant 3rd place ( think a different continent!)is Civilian sales. It’s always been that way and there firearms show it. They have made forays into specific Civy market niches but not as of late. There firearms made to exceed any known testing standards and protocols for various military and Government trials. While the feel and ergonomics of one line might be better subjectively, objectively their accuracy, reliability and quality are a constant. I too look forward to the SFP9CC and see where it goes. I’ll buy one just on HKs reputation which I won’t do with any other firearm manufacturer.
    Is the new skinny 9 supposed to be OR, if so I’ll buy one as well.

    PB

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