British SAS and shotguns

[SteyrAUG]

i was only commenting in regard to the SAS and their breaching practices, my brother.

I was just trying to clarify the confusion I created with my copy / paste comment from earlier which created confusion.

[T2C]

After becoming a certified shotgun instructor for the LEO world, I picked up an 1187P. I could shoot it so fast it sounded like a beltfed. It is absolutely obscene what a good man with a good running shotgun can do. I never carried the 1187P on duty, and when I did carry a shotgun in patrol or teams, it was always an 870. The 870 can flat out shoot with a solid operator, but IMHO where the 870 shines (and 590A1s) is that it is an "all anywhere, all times, and all ammo" weapon.

Our SWAT operators were issued 1187 Sage shotguns and I had the opportunity to put them through their paces on several occasions. They were a bit heavy, but felt recoil was light with OO Buckshot and slugs. They were decent running shotguns but would not run on light loads and operated sporadically with Ferret shells.

Even though the Sage was a good weapon, the 870 ran on everything and I feel it was a better all round shotgun. I'd pick either shotgun for problem solving with the right loads.

[Slater]

The Beretta 1301 seems to be the current favorite among autoloaders.

[SteyrAUG]

The Beretta 1301 seems to be the current favorite among autoloaders.

I will always be an inertial bolt guy, church of Tom Knapp.

[hotbiggun42]

For a lot of civillians, shotguns are a firearm they grew up using which makes it a fine choice for HD.

[Averageman]

For a lot of civillians, shotguns are a firearm they grew up using which makes it a fine choice for HD.

If my Son, who is a nongun guy asked me for a gun, I would give him a pump shotgun first. A Glock 17 next.
Simple is best under stress.

[SteyrAUG]

If my Son, who is a nongun guy asked me for a gun, I would give him a pump shotgun first. A Glock 17 next.
Simple is best under stress.

Much as I hate to reinforce the stereotype. When I moved back down to Florida in 1990 I knew I'd be living in some questionable areas so I left many of my expensive guns in Iowa with family. My main "deal with shit" gun was a Rem 870, A Norinco "red side folder" which I should have never gotten rid of (but I thought I wanted the Polytech version instead and that they would always be around) and in 1994 I bought a HK USP. It would be a few years later when I finally bought a decent house in a decent neighborhood and started relocating my guns to Florida.