British SAS and shotguns

[Disciple]

If I were to pick up the primary HD AR, I have ~30 rounds with which to work. If I pick up the primary HD M4, I have 22 rounds with which to work.

What is the weight of the shotgun as configured?

[Ron3]

Somewhere across this land, somebody's HD weapon is grandpa's old double barrel.

And almost every time that's enough. Add 2 spare shells and a pistol for backup and you'll probably be fine if you've trained.

[henri]

Recent owner of 1301 tactical 7+1; lightweight, fast, very easily manageable, and fun AF to shoot. First choice for HD situation, no, that is reserved for the AR pistol (unbraced). However, the 1301 does fill that role when traveling to mountain cabin.

[SteyrAUG]

And almost every time that's enough. Add 2 spare shells and a pistol for backup and you'll probably be fine if you've trained.

Unless more than one person is in your house. The above is serious "nobody needs more than 10 rounds" logic.

You have no idea what you will need until it happens. What happened to a house in town last week is almost completely unrelated to what might happen at your house next week.

Let just one person get ahold of your kids and turn it into a hostage situation and then tell me how gramps double barrel and 4 rounds is gonna be fine because you have "training."|

[pinzgauer]

Didn't we just have a thread about the use of shotguns today? I seem to recall lots of people poo-pooing shotguns, which is idiodic.

SAS apparently did not get the memo they are obsolete

[SteyrAUG]

SAS apparently did not get the memo they are obsolete

We should also remember dude with a shotgun and a SAS "team" vs. lone homeowner factor. If I could roll with an SAS "team" you could probably make me pretty comfortable with just a Taurus Judge when it came to home defense.

[grizzman]

What is the weight of the shotgun as configured?

The 1301 Tactical with 9 shells loaded, an aluminum mag cover and clamp, Aridus mount and RMR, one 7 shell and one 6 shell card, no light and no sling weighs 9 lbs 2.6 oz.

An M4 with fixed stock, titanium 7 round magazine, AVA Light Mount, factory irons, and the same shell count weighs 10 lbs 8 oz.

[utahjeepr]

SAS apparently did not get the memo they are obsolete

Meh, dude probably didn't even swap ammo. Breaching slugs to the face? That'll never work.

[Disciple]

The 1301 Tactical with 9 shells loaded, an aluminum mag cover and clamp, Aridus mount and RMR, one 7 shell and one 6 shell card, no light and no sling weighs 9 lbs 2.6 oz.

Thanks.

[Ron3]

Unless more than one person is in your house. The above is serious "nobody needs more than 10 rounds" logic.

You have no idea what you will need until it happens. What happened to a house in town last week is almost completely unrelated to what might happen at your house next week.

Let just one person get ahold of your kids and turn it into a hostage situation and then tell me how gramps double barrel and 4 rounds is gonna be fine because you have "training."|

It's an "80% solution" tool.

Not my first choice but I'd feel "okay" with one. Needs a WML though. And LOP reduced.