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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    The problem is that any judge or jury in NY city will convict him of any charge with any evidence. That is the problem.

    He might get off on appeals, but that will take years.
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    What the charges are or whether they can be proven are irrelevant. The goal is getting him arrested and putting him in a courtroom they control, where they know their jury would convict him of anything they said.
    This. And when this is even possible, you are in a banana republic.

    The full faith and credit clause needs to be erased, or re-interpreted. Some states do not deserve any faith or credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    Campaign funds are treated very, very seriously. You can only bribe candidates openly and in compliance with certain procedures. Even though it's still a bribe, and the candidate gets to keep all the money as personal funds when they retire or lose. In all seriousness, I think the rigidness is used to protect the bribe nature of the funds against creeping use of them for other things.

    Re: Trump, I hope he has better lawyers and used funds that aren't campaign funds. If it somehow became illegal to make settlements of bogus claims to get rid of annoying claimants then there are tens of millions of people who've committed crimes.
    Is that what the charges are based on, use of campaign funds to pay off ho? I'm still unclear what the charges are there.
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    Years ago the Feds looked at this and decided there was no violation of federal campaign law to prosecute. Private funds used to settle a nuisance claim... yawn. Manhattan DA lacks both jurisdiction and a crime to prosecute. That said, I agree with others that even the most baseless and convoluted prosecution is likely to result in a conviction in NY if the defendant's name is Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Is that what the charges are based on, use of campaign funds to pay off ho? I'm still unclear what the charges are there.
    I don't think whatever the Manhattan DA is plotting relates to campaign finance laws, but I'm not sure. My comment was referring to John Edwards' scandal and alleged campaign finance law violations:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E...marital_affair

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    Campaign funds are treated very, very seriously. You can only bribe candidates openly and in compliance with certain procedures. Even though it's still a bribe, and the candidate gets to keep all the money as personal funds when they retire or lose. In all seriousness, I think the rigidness is used to protect the bribe nature of the funds against creeping use of them for other things.

    Re: Trump, I hope he has better lawyers and used funds that aren't campaign funds. If it somehow became illegal to make settlements of bogus claims to get rid of annoying claimants then there are tens of millions of people who've committed crimes.
    Candidates cannot keep campaign funds as personal funds. They can refund it or stockpile it for future campaigns. They can't pocket it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    Trump self funded in 2016.
    No he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Is that what the charges are based on, use of campaign funds to pay off ho? I'm still unclear what the charges are there.
    The only speculation on charges that I have read revolve around the payment. A violation of federal campaign law (already discussed). The other is how the repayment to Cohen was made on Trump's company books as a legal expense. A New York DA would seem to have no jurisdiction over federal campaigns. On the other hand, how a New York business operates it's books would seem more within the DA's jurisdiction now matter how convoluted or thin the charges. I guess we'll soon find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miami_JBT View Post
    Candidates cannot keep campaign funds as personal funds. They can refund it or stockpile it for future campaigns. They can't pocket it.
    Looks like that is technically correct and my info was outdated.
    https://www.investopedia.com/article...-elections.asp

    However, between that and this, it looks like abuses that don't get prosecuted are fairly common:
    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/02/cash-on-hand/

    Past history (2010 article and discussion of rules much older than that):
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/camp...ry?id=10203316

    So yeah, it looks like it's "illegal" to use campaign funds for other purposes, but it also looks like there are some loopholes and some abuses that don't get prosecuted.

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    Cohen (attorney) paid Daniels. Trump's company paid back Cohen. No campaign funds were used.
    Last edited by ChattanoogaPhil; 03-20-23 at 09:33.

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