Bug-out gun of sufficient power/range

[ABNAK]

Okay, let's say we need something of the size and weight of a Kel Tec Sub2000 but firing 5.56 at minimum. Ability to fold, but doesn't have to function folded. Yeah, the weight won't be like the Sub2000 as it'll need to have sturdier construction, but the ability to fold flat like the Kel Tec. It'd probably need to be a bullpup design......doing some measuring tonight of my Sub2000 vs CAR-15 clone and it was apparent that in order to achieve a 16" folded package it would need to be a bullpup. I have a little backpack stuffed with a few "survival" things has one open pocket left that would accommodate this fantasy weapon nicely.

[Disciple]

How close would a GAU-5A built with carbon composite and 2055 get to your goal?

[ABNAK]

How close would a GAU-5A built with carbon composite and 2055 get to your goal?

Is that the USAF's new folding "survival rifle" for aircrews? If so, might just work.....

[Disciple]

Yes but it doesn't fold, rather the upper separates at the front of the receiver. Slower but smaller than a side-folding AR, and not light which is why I figure exotic carbon/2055 parts would be needed to get close to your target weight.

[mig1nc]

Foxtrot Mike makes a 9" folding 5.56.

I wish they made one in 300blk.


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[Diamondback]

Yes but it doesn't fold, rather the upper separates at the front of the receiver. Slower but smaller than a side-folding AR, and not light which is why I figure exotic carbon/2055 parts would be needed to get close to your target weight.

Main problem is the Midwest rail is discontinued, and there ain't a lot compatible with the QRB takedown kit. Mine has a Midwest Combat Rail Lightweight, just slid on until I can get it in to the smith to lop off the parts that make it incompatible; it rocks a small prism sight until the rail is locked on and it's time to install my coupler device. (There's just no way both pieces will fit in the bag I found when enough spacer is stacked in to keep the optic. Frankly, at its expected engagement range in my ecosystem even the irons are probably unnecessary except ya gotta have SOMETHING.)

[Ron3]

There isn't anything like that unless you want a barrel that is stupidly short for 5.56 or you go .300 blk.

Anything else will be substantially bigger and heavier, including bull-pups. But if you're not willing to drop to a PCC then a bull-pup is your answer.

The next size up are rifles with folding stocks.

[Defaultmp3]

Q Honey Badger is too long assembled at 20", but can be broken down to upper and lower. It would be 4.5 lb rather that 4.25 lb, and be in .300 BLK rather than .223 Rem/5.56×45mm.

SIG Rattler can be had in both .223 Rem/5.56×45mm and .300 BLK, and meet length, but would be ~6 lb.

Maxim PDX comes in 7.62×39mm, .223 Rem/5.56×45mm, and .300 BLK, but would be 18.75" and 5.625 lb.

Desert Tech MDRX Micron is a bullpup with an 11.5" barrel that comes in .223 Rem/5.56×45mm, but would be over 7 lb and 24".

The SCAR 16 CQC has a 10", but would be 21" folded and 6.7 lb.

A Krinkov-type would be ~20" folded and be >6 lb.

Basically, you don't really have any choices for that kind of size and weight with a rifle caliber, and even the ones that come close typically have very short barrels.

I personally don't see much point in a backpack gun as a civilian outside of ease of transport. I have a 10.3" with a LAW folder that fulfills that role, but I don't see it as something I would be deploying straight out the bag. A bullpup with an OAL of 16" would suck to shoot, anyway, it'd be so scrunched up that ergonomics would likely be awful for any normal-sized adult.

[czgunner]

My answer to that question is my BRN-180. Its a great firearm to suppress as well.

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[Diamondback]

My answer to that question is my BRN-180. Its a great firearm to suppress as well.

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And what a coinkydink, right as you post that Brownells just blasted out an email announcing a BRN-180S in .300BLK.
https://www.brownells.com/the-trigge...n-180sh-upper/