Bug-out gun of sufficient power/range

[ABNAK]

I think we need to define what the need of a bug out bigger than a handgun really is.

Range do we need in the USA range longer than 150 yards?

Is the bug out meaning you are leaving the city and heading out to family and friends in the country? Then why does size matter? The rifle is in your car or truck.

For me I see my 357 sig AR fitting my need for this mission. Same mags and bullets as my pistol. Mags are smaller in size so I can carry more in the same sized bag as if I had a rifle caliber long gun.

Your 357 Sig setup is VERY interesting, and once you get it done please post pics. It might also meet my requirements. What would be even better would be a 357 Sig folding "bullpup" along the lines of the Kel Tec P2000 but perhaps better QC.....maybe the new S&W MP FPC would satiate that quality itch, but make one in 357 Sig.

"Bug out" means I'm grabbing shit and di-di-mau'ing out of Dodge. Might even be a bag I've thrown in my truck if shit got "iffy" as I live in the sticks but work in a large city M-F. The OAL requirement of an AR-style weapon would probably dictate 300BLK, but the KT P2000 has a 16" barrel and 5.56 would do just fine out of that (but you likely can't get 5.56 in a KT P2000 sized package.....however your 357 Sig just might fit with some beefing up!).

While we cannot predict when shit goes south, usually you can see it coming like the "Summer of Love 2020". I keep a handgun in each of our vehicles all the time, but in special circumstances something with a little more "luvin" might be in order if you know what I mean. If roads are blocked and you have to hoof it out then I'd prefer something with a little more punch and distance than a Glock 19. I dunno, maybe 150-200yds max?

[Disciple]

These of any use?

https://cmmg.com/pistol-dissent-mk4-300blk-6-5
https://cmmg.com/pistol-dissent-mk4-300blk-10-5

[yoni]

[QUOTE=ABNAK;3096211]Your 357 Sig setup is VERY interesting, and once you get it done please post pics. It might also meet my requirements.


The barrel is going out I hope today to the guy that will be reaming the chamber to 357 sig. CMMG or me messed up on the handguard and I got a 7" and not a 4". so that has to go back today.

This gun will still get over 2200fps with the Underwood ammo. It should come out to be around 13.60 inches length with the stock folded and 20.5 with the stock open.

For me this gun fits with my daily needs. I will say if I were driving across country I would want a rifle caliber gun in the truck with me

[Diamondback]

Allow me to spitball a concept that has two barriers to overcome first...
1. Ruger needs to make the PC Carbine and PC Charger in more near-9mm cliers like .357Sig or .40S&W.
2. PC Carbine/Charger aftermarket support needs to evolve up to the level where the 10/22 is, or at least bare receivers and chassis need to be available separately.

Prefatory remarks aside, y'all might recall me building a "Charger Convertible" that goes from pistol to rifle and back simply by swapping a longer barrel and snapping a 1913-mount stock onto a core Charger receiver assembly. Since the PC Carbine/PC Charger relate similarly to their .22LR counterparts and are built around the 10/22 Takedown as a foundation, why couldn't you do the same thing with them?

My build concept would be:

• *Start with a factory PC Charger, magwell to match your sidearm of choice. (Not an option here in WA with our backdoor handgun registry and other bullshit; or for me since I'm single-stack 1911 .45)
  *Swap on a FAB Defense folding pistol grip like on the USAF GAU-5A
  *Add 16" barrel with muzzle device of choice mated to Midwest 14" handguard; possibly an intermediate barrel in the MI 12" handguard and a brace if The Ban gets bitchslapped in court.
  *Mount optic, rear sight and pistol-barrel-zeroed front sight on receiver rail; rifle-zeroed front sight on handguard. Add color coded witness marks to adjust rear sight for pistol or rifle zero.

Essentially, something like a bigger, meaner "Serious Work" version of this.

[AndyLate]

Allow me to spitball a concept that has two barriers to overcome first...
1. Ruger needs to make the PC Carbine and PC Charger in more near-9mm cliers like .357Sig or .40S&W.
2. PC Carbine/Charger aftermarket support needs to evolve up to the level where the 10/22 is, or at least bare receivers and chassis need to be available separately.

Prefatory remarks aside, y'all might recall me building a "Charger Convertible" that goes from pistol to rifle and back simply by swapping a longer barrel and snapping a 1913-mount stock onto a core Charger receiver assembly. Since the PC Carbine/PC Charger relate similarly to their .22LR counterparts and are built around the 10/22 Takedown as a foundation, why couldn't you do the same thing with them?

My build concept would be:

• *Start with a factory PC Charger, magwell to match your sidearm of choice. (Not an option here in WA with our backdoor handgun registry and other bullshit; or for me since I'm single-stack 1911 .45)
  *Swap on a FAB Defense folding pistol grip like on the USAF GAU-5A
  *Add 16" barrel with muzzle device of choice mated to Midwest 14" handguard; possibly an intermediate barrel in the MI 12" handguard and a brace if The Ban gets bitchslapped in court.
  *Mount optic, rear sight and pistol-barrel-zeroed front sight on receiver rail; rifle-zeroed front sight on handguard. Add color coded witness marks to adjust rear sight for pistol or rifle zero.

Essentially, something like a bigger, meaner "Serious Work" version of this.

They would need to have some sort of delayed blowback or locked breech to keep weight down though.

Andy

[sinister]

A folder adds complexity and something else to fail.

Would either of these two fit the pocket of that bag?

If you're "Bugging out," won't you have the carbine in your hands?

LMT:



LWRC:

[Diamondback]

They would need to have some sort of delayed blowback or locked breech to keep weight down though.

Andy

IIRC didn't Ruger already do that when they beefed up the design for the PC Carbine and PC Charger from the 10/22 basic concept? They're not just a straight "upscaled 10/22" even though they use some of the same FCG components.

[yoni]

A folder adds complexity and something else to fail.

Would either of these two fit the pocket of that bag?

If you're "Bugging out," won't you have the carbine in your hands?

I agree a more serious gun to get back home to me is my 357AR, it has a folding stock and can fit in a small sized pack. Your right in my life with a folder on a AR it is not something to do in a hurry.

Bug out to me means I am leaving for someplace more rural and I want more fire power in the truck which is my 11.5 inch ARs.

Who makes the adjustable vertical grip on the bottom rifle?

[sinister]

I think CAA and Battle Grip.

[ABNAK]

A folder adds complexity and something else to fail.

Would either of these two fit the pocket of that bag?

If you're "Bugging out," won't you have the carbine in your hands?

LMT:

Is that a "chopped" LMT SOPMOD stock? If so, where to find one?