Waco: American Apocalypse

[ABNAK]

ATF said they fired the first shots of the altercation(at dogs) then said they didn’t.
ATF or FBI said there was a meth lab in the basement in order to get military assistance when they knew there wasn’t.
FBI said they didn’t use any pyrotechnics that could have started the fire, then a decade or so later said they did.

Take that into account along with the missing autopsies, entrance doors, and other evidence, and the fact they held onto davidian bodies for over a year (18 months I think) and then secretly buried them without notifying family members…I really distrust anything they say about Koresh. He may have been the biggest baby raper on the planet (not something the ATF investigates), but any evidence and accusations coming from the alphabet agencies would be immediately suspect even if 100% true.

That being said, Accusations from followers inside the compound carry more weight, and he was more than likely a sick SOB based on what some have said.

The proud tradition of corruption and cover-up at the highest levels of Federal government and their enforcers have been continued onward for the last 30 years! Yay!

Koresh was a POS to be sure, but the Fed response was disgusting. They can, however, be proud that their fvcked-up tradition has been carried on diligently by today's Feds.

[matemike]

I watched this series. It was good. Documentary of "facts". But I liked the 6 part series from 2018 better. It was just called "Waco". It is more of a true story series, not so much a documentary. The director of the 2018 series tried to get you to "know" the Davidians who were inside.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6040674/

One of the things that both of these series said in common was that all this started as a single mentioning/reporting from a UPS driver who saw a grenade fall out of a box that was to be delivered to the compound. Kinda of reminds me of the Covid excuse, that one single person accidentally let the virus out of the lab in 2019. And we know the rest.

Anyway, he (or UPS) raised the issue directly to the feds and the investigation began. Keep in mind they (the feds) were already highly embarrassed from having recently been burned in an illegal guns investigation in Ruby Ridge. That included the huge mess up by Lon Houroshi. So given this opportunity, they wanted to "get it right this time". They began looking into all the previous UPS deliveries as well as deliveries to come to the Waco compound. Their investigation proved the mass of weapons and ammo that had been delivered there. So they were on to something. Turns out it was a lot more. Koresh was a nasty nasty f*cK. But the feds muffed this one up too.

Also, still not sure who shot first on Feb 28, 1993. No one is. They all point fingers. We will never know. Just like the story that a single UPS driver, still unnamed as far as I know, was the single tip they took to start this investigation and put under-covers inside and everything. We are just told what they want us to hear ever since Feb 28, 1993.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'm still waiting for doctors to be charged with mutilation of boys at birth.

Guess in the meantime we can work on the story time shit.

Just a couple weeks ago Tennessee banned drag shows at public places and where children are present. Also banned so-called "gender affirming care" for minors.

In a world gone insane we're trying to hold on to a slice of sanity.

[33XRAY]

I'm fascinated by the Waco siege. This documentary is a gem that I saw years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU

I'd like to know if the guy was in fact a child molester. Hopefully none of the witnesses were in any way coerced into confession. A fortress with that shit going on doesn't make any sense. But fact is stranger than fiction.

[Sam]

Watched it this afternoon. Didn't change my opinion of the whole thing.

[WillBrink]

Most interesting was the HRT and the negotiators where not on the same page, both working on their own goals. The negotiators wanted them to come out and some justice, the HRT wanted revenge.

[ABNAK]

Most interesting was the HRT and the negotiators where not on the same page, both working on their own goals. The negotiators wanted them to come out and some justice, the HRT wanted revenge.

I have read where that disagreement almost came to blows. HRT eventually won out.

[john armond]

I have read where that disagreement almost came to blows. HRT eventually won out.

HRT did the lights and noise and drove the tanks over the Davidians cars in the compound, specifically targeting Koresh’s antique car, all on their own just after the negotiators got a group of people out. Then one of the main (maybe the main) negotiator was removed from the scene because it was more important for him to go to training than stay on scene. No one else ever came out after he was sent packing, until the fire of course. I don’t think he was the only one on the negotiator team sent away either.

The evidence requested by congress that would supposedly show the ATF fired first all apparently disappeared. One of the main pieces was the doors. Hell, even all the close up pictures of the doors vanished from inventory along with the videos the ATF was taking of the activities at the front doors as the initial shots were fired. There were also several pages ripped out of the activity logs the ATF was keeping. I believe the initial news crew even hid their videotapes for fear they would be confiscated. One of these tapes shows someone in a helicopter shooting at least one person who was cleaning the inside of a chimney or tower as the incident started. The Davidian atty made a couple good points in his testimony. One was the Davidians knew the feds were coming and they could have lit them up while they were crammed inside the cattle cars but didn’t. The other was the ATF retreated across the open supposedly out of or nearly out of ammunition without being shot at.

There was also the husband of one of the people inside the building that was shot while attempting to get onto the compound from a back field to supposedly get to his family. That one is known to have happened. His wife even made a statement about in in one of the video messages. Others were supposedly shot as they were fleeing, but I’m not sure if that is true. Of course the FBI said they never shot anyone the entire time they were there. Kinda like the FBI agents said they never shot at Lavoy Finicum.

ETA…looks like there is actual video of the machine gun fire from FBI and/or SF into the building from behind the tanks and out of helicopters in one of the links above. And four empty shell casings from the sniper post that was manned by most of the Ruby Ridge sniper team. Of course the FBI said no shots were ever fired from there.

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Just a couple weeks ago Tennessee banned drag shows at public places and where children are present. Also banned so-called "gender affirming care" for minors.

In a world gone insane we're trying to hold on to a slice of sanity.

Yup your state is doing the right thing..

[SteyrAUG]

Watched it this afternoon. Didn't change my opinion of the whole thing.

I learned some new shit that pissed me off. I trust a couple people who I used to extend some "benefit of the doubt" a lot less now.

I'm honestly amazed anyone got out of the building alive on that last day.