Waco: American Apocalypse

[JediGuy]

Maybe I’m wrong, but say Koresh was engaged in pedophilia. I think it’s worse being burned alive, but I’ve never experienced either.

[SteyrAUG]

Maybe I’m wrong, but say Koresh was engaged in pedophilia. I think it’s worse being burned alive, but I’ve never experienced either.

I know some people who were abused as kids, it's shit you walk around with for the rest of your life, but so long as you managed to escape alive, most of them are glad to be alive and finally living their life.

But that is some seriously evil shit to do to a kid.

[markm]

Koresh was surely a piece of shit, and I have little sympathy for people mentally weak enough to buy into a crock of shit that Koresh was selling... but the Government's handling of this was horrifying.

[utahjeepr]

OK, David Koresh was a sicko, baby raping, delusional POS with an apocalyptic Messiah complex. Given.

Some of his followers were fatalistic, "end of the world is nigh", rabid sycophants. Given.

So what brainchild came to the table with, "So let's just see if we can push these nutjobs right over the edge with a daylight raid that plays right into their fantasies and practically guarantees this goes sideways! Worse comes to worse, we dust-off and nuke the site from orbit."

[Averageman]

OK, David Koresh was a sicko, baby raping, delusional POS with an apocalyptic Messiah complex. Given.

Some of his followers were fatalistic, "end of the world is nigh", rabid sycophants. Given.

So what brainchild came to the table with, "So let's just see if we can push these nutjobs right over the edge with a daylight raid that plays right into their fantasies and practically guarantees this goes sideways! Worse comes to worse, we dust-off and nuke the site from orbit."

One of the few reasons we have for making a .gov was to protect us from whacky people like Koresh and from Koresh like nuts from taking advantage of even whackier People who were willing to follow him.
When we did all that we never considered that our .gov, the very one we go to for help, would have Janet Reno at the helm. Now when it comes to crazy, Koresh and Reno were about on the same wave length. Both pretty much creeps.
Reno allowed that whole thing to go so far off the rails that a lot of people local to Waco have sympathy for the people who were murdered by the ATF that day.
Not a lot of love overall for the whole messy Clinton mess.

[markm]

So what brainchild came to the table with, "So let's just see if we can push these nutjobs right over the edge with a daylight raid that plays right into their fantasies and practically guarantees this goes sideways!

Agreed. Either it was evil or incompetence. If one good thing came of the mess, it's that it showed people the Government is not your friend.

[JediGuy]

…the people who were murdered by the ATF that day.

That’s what it comes down to.

Of course, my afternoon cartoons were interrupted by OKC footage not long after. So perhaps the biggest takeaway is that anarchy doesn’t work and neither does big government, because stupid and evil people are involved in both.

[Averageman]

That’s what it comes down to.

Of course, my afternoon cartoons were interrupted by OKC footage not long after. So perhaps the biggest takeaway is that anarchy doesn’t work and neither does big government, because stupid and evil people are involved in both.

And I will say, You don't have to be a Paranoid to know not to put a Dady-Care in a Federal Building.

[SteyrAUG]

OK, David Koresh was a sicko, baby raping, delusional POS with an apocalyptic Messiah complex. Given.

Some of his followers were fatalistic, "end of the world is nigh", rabid sycophants. Given.

So what brainchild came to the table with, "So let's just see if we can push these nutjobs right over the edge with a daylight raid that plays right into their fantasies and practically guarantees this goes sideways! Worse comes to worse, we dust-off and nuke the site from orbit."

That is sorta what they were hoping for, but in the .gov version they quickly overtake and subdue them, then rescue the kiddies. They didn't expect resistance or competency with firearms.

[SteyrAUG]

And I will say, You don't have to be a Paranoid to know not to put a Dady-Care in a Federal Building.

You know it's unfortunate. Because McVeigh wasn't a super patriot either. He was acting right out of Turner Diaries, only instead of attacking the evil .gov he blew up a building mostly populated by ordinary people lucky enough to have a gov job with decent benefits and a day care. It wasn't full of Janet Reno's and I bet if you polled them anonymously, most wouldn't have been thrilled with their boss any more than the rest of us on most of the jobs we've had. I won't even get into the racist realities of the actual author William Pierce and the mostly racist fantasy he wrote.

And for the longest time, I didn't want to form an opinion on Waco because I didn't want to have any association with the likes of Koresh or McVeigh and neither one of them supported anything I believe in other than we all drink water and breathe air. But that doesn't make Reno or ATF at Waco the good guys either. Both of them seemed really good at killing kids because that somehow protects the rest of us and gives us freedom.