Iraq Veteran 8888 poll

[utahjeepr]

Wide open question, one that begs for speculation by the respondents. Additionally the methodology of the "poll" is going to skew results in that direction. I'm surprised it wasn't higher. Those who would be inclined to answer in the negative are less inclined to go out of their way to respond to the question.

All that said, I can wargame scenarios where I could not only accept our military acting against citizens but could support it. I can envision scenarios where I would have been willing to do so back in "the day".

We need only look back to the 2020 "Summer of Love" and wargame that a bit. Add a little more spice to CHOP. How many of you would have supported .mil shutting it down. I'll be honest, I kinda wanted to see more NG rolled out to shut that shit down in a number of places.

I wasn't involved, but I certainly remember 1st MarDiv rolling Marines and LAV-25s up I-5 out of Pendleton in 92.

So yeah, I can see it happening. I can see guys following orders. I can only hope that if it does happen, it is for good reason. Frankly I fear a little that the possibility exists for it to go either way. But most of all I trust in the guys doing the job.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'd like to think that individuals would follow their conscience. The problem is that when individuals are in a group they're much more likely to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. So yeah, I can imagine decent people in groups doing terrible and stupid things like firing on Americans or... uh... invading the Capitol building that they would never do if they weren't in a group.

[C-grunt]

An open poll on Twitter about such things is useless data. There is going to be a HUGE amount of respondents who have absolutely no data to back up their opinion.

[jsbhike]

An open poll on Twitter about such things is useless data. There is going to be a HUGE amount of respondents who have absolutely no data to back up their opinion.

Not on Twitter so going off of Eric's screen shots of the yes votes stating why they voted yes along with pointing to real invidents where it happened already.

As near as I can tell the no votes are basing their vote on claiming that could never happen and casting dispersion on anyone thinking it could based on past incidents. The closest thing to the "no" side I can recall was Northwoods and opposition came from the top of the chain instead of the lower links.


Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[glocktogo]

To anyone who thinks this isn't worthy of consideration or thinks the military wouldn't carry out illegal orders against its own citizens, I'll just leave these here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...son_experiment

[1168]

To anyone who thinks this isn't worthy of consideration or thinks the military wouldn't carry out illegal orders against its own citizens, I'll just leave these here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...son_experiment

The Stanford Prison Experiment is actually on the CSM’s recommended reading list at JSOC and SOCOM. Its on the portal, right next to some similar reading on ethics that can be applied during warfare. Its unfortunate that conventional forces rarely get that sort of mentorship.

The experiment itself was amateurishly put together to a degree that erodes its credibility, but it is still an excellent lesson. 10/10, would read and recommend again.

[SteyrAUG]

To anyone who thinks this isn't worthy of consideration or thinks the military wouldn't carry out illegal orders against its own citizens, I'll just leave these here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...son_experiment

The only thing that would surprise me is if anyone here wasn't very familiar with the above.

[glocktogo]

The only thing that would surprise me is if anyone here wasn't very familiar with the above.

The problem isn't with those who are unfamiliar with them. The problem is with those that are familiar with them but see the horror as the bright side.

[SteyrAUG]

The problem isn't with those who are unfamiliar with them. The problem is with those that are familiar with them but see the horror as the bright side.

So just make a mental note of who they are for the day when the shooting starts, they are top of the "to do" list.

[kerplode]

The police aren't on your side
The military isn't on your side

They are tools of the State and will be used to enforce the State's rule as the State sees fit.

If they are ordered to fire upon you, many will happily follow the order. Those that don't will be replaced.