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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    Yeah, I wasn't specifically replying to any point that been brought up. Just trying to draw comparisons between troop quality and performance in broadly similar settings and situations. While it's important not to read too much into this single incident, China is our single biggest threat at the moment, and understanding their actual military capabilities are important. As mentioned in the video, the relative lack of combat experience of the Chinese military actually makes that difficult. The Russians liked to portray themselves as the "2nd Army of the World" but we've seen how that has played out. The Chinese are likewise trying to portray themselves as a powerful military, but have even less of a basis to back that claim up with. I tend to think that for the Chinese, that's intentional, as they really would rather not fight if it's still possible to achieve their desired ends. If that's the case, it's important to realize when they're likely bluffing.
    The other possibility is deliberately pulling punches to make us overconfident.

    "When you are strong feign weakness, when you are weak feign strength. Wen the enemy retreats, advance; when the enemy advances feign retreat then advance and decimate."--Sun Tzu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    The other possibility is deliberately pulling punches to make us overconfident.

    "When you are strong feign weakness, when you are weak feign strength. Wen the enemy retreats, advance; when the enemy advances feign retreat then advance and decimate."--Sun Tzu
    Always wise to try and think like your enemy, we got Sun Tzu'd hard a few times in Vietnam. But in this instance I think a bunch of inexperienced soldiers on a UN deployment with a overly rigid command structure and poorly defined goals ended up between two gang armies who had zero GAF and the outcome was probably inevitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    The other possibility is deliberately pulling punches to make us overconfident.

    "When you are strong feign weakness, when you are weak feign strength. Wen the enemy retreats, advance; when the enemy advances feign retreat then advance and decimate."--Sun Tzu
    Or to try to get us to rest on our laurels, and not advance our military allowing them to catch up. We took the Soviet capability claims at face value and built a military capable of beating what they claimed to have. When we realized that they had grossly overestimated their abilities, we already had a military force unmatched by the rest of the world. The Chinese have had about 2 decades to play catch up while we were playing whack a mole in Iraq/A-Stan, and more time tends to favor them if we don't reinvest in holding our superiority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    Or to try to get us to rest on our laurels, and not advance our military allowing them to catch up. We took the Soviet capability claims at face value and built a military capable of beating what they claimed to have. When we realized that they had grossly overestimated their abilities, we already had a military force unmatched by the rest of the world. The Chinese have had about 2 decades to play catch up while we were playing whack a mole in Iraq/A-Stan, and more time tends to favor them if we don't reinvest in holding our superiority.
    And we've destroyed so much of our resource-extraction and industrial capacity we couldn't build the Cold War "arsenal of freedom" again if we HAD to, even with 100% tech-share and co-build by our allies to help get the numbers up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    And we've destroyed so much of our resource-extraction and industrial capacity we couldn't build the Cold War "arsenal of freedom" again if we HAD to, even with 100% tech-share and co-build by our allies to help get the numbers up.
    Not even close. On the plus side, the Ukraine War has finally forced people to realize what a major hole we've dug ourselves, and started the process to rectify the lack of production for at least some weapon types. Probably too little too late, and certainly not an easy fix, but hopefully a step in the right direction. If only we could revitalize industrial capacity across the board, and focus on our own raw material production.
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    Well, maybe Japan, but even with their help and even IF Boeing reopened Wichita and Renton AND converted the now-dead 747 line I don't see all of that on three-shifts-a-day managing to rebuild the backbone of Strategic Air Command. Not even getting into the need to rebuild a Pacific Fleet that's a shadow of its former self... Goddamn Kremlinhumpers with their "MUH PEEEZ DIBUHDEND!" bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    Or to try to get us to rest on our laurels, and not advance our military allowing them to catch up. We took the Soviet capability claims at face value and built a military capable of beating what they claimed to have. When we realized that they had grossly overestimated their abilities, we already had a military force unmatched by the rest of the world. The Chinese have had about 2 decades to play catch up while we were playing whack a mole in Iraq/A-Stan, and more time tends to favor them if we don't reinvest in holding our superiority.


    We should also remember that we had the USSR in a spending arms race and by raising every call we collapsed their economies. Reagan spent a shit ton of money, but at least he bought the end of the cold war. Too bad we restarted it again over Syria.
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