INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN

[tn1911]

only makes it sound even more credible to me.

Indeed that was my takeaway after watching it

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

That's why I posted it. He gave it a fair analysis without really stating an opinion. I think you will find what you are looking for, whatever your view.

[Adrenaline_6]

Take away the crashing part, these so called advanced craft are being picked up by primitive radar, which our current tech now can diminish.

We are already developing light bending camo tech.

Our satellites can see any thing they want to see. Why would they need craft to observe anything. Not to mention Nano tech.

[tn1911]

Take away the crashing part, these so called advanced craft are being picked up by primitive radar, which our current tech now can diminish.

We are already developing light bending camo tech.

Our satellites can see any thing they want to see. Why would they need craft to observe anything. Not to mention Nano tech.

You're assuming these beings think like you and I, perhaps they don't.

Maybe they've advanced in this type of exploration alone while not worrying about other forms... maybe they're closer than we imagine, and a small craft is more efficient.

[SteyrAUG]

Did you watch it? He describes precisely what he saw starting at 56 seconds. It does not get any more specific then that. Yet, some apparently don't believe him and all the others seeing same? All on the most sophisticated radar we have via ships and the planes? Yes, agreed, we need less yapping and more disclosure as to the hard evidence of what they have or don't have.

He described what he saw, but he doesn't know what it was. Again, I believe he saw something, but again nobody knows what it is.

And honestly, we won't know FOR SURE, until something happens like we actually come into possession of an alien craft or similar. I personally don't believe that has already happened. I also have several logical disconnects with the idea that alien intelligence could travel all the way here from there and not have the capacity to observe us without being observed. But that is just my opinion.

I also think if/when first contact happens, it will be unlike anything we were capable of imagining and all of our ideas about having seen alien spacecraft before will become quaint notions in light of the new reality of things.

[titsonritz]

Its in the news, must be true.

[WillBrink]

He described what he saw, but he doesn't know what it was. Again, I believe he saw something, but again nobody knows what it is.

And honestly, we won't know FOR SURE, until something happens like we actually come into possession of an alien craft or similar. I personally don't believe that has already happened. I also have several logical disconnects with the idea that alien intelligence could travel all the way here from there and not have the capacity to observe us without being observed. But that is just my opinion.

I also think if/when first contact happens, it will be unlike anything we were capable of imagining and all of our ideas about having seen alien spacecraft before will become quaint notions in light of the new reality of things.

My point being we obviously should believe what he, and apparently dozens of others, saw exactly what they claim they saw, which was corroborated by the most sophisticated radar we have. That's tech that should be well beyond anything we can produce (according to him and every SME who looks into it) which leaves us with few choices as to origins.

Denial of that reality is no longer an option.

[WillBrink]

Apparantly, this guys channel popular with mil. Interesting story there. No doubt they have vid and radar confirmation of what they shot down. The part that gets my attention is the claim the object messed with the sensors of the F22, but I would also not expect the f22 to be capable of taking down the types of UFOs we are talking about here, so what was it? Did they make visual contact? Some new Chinese tech with active sensors that can interfere with hardened US electronics of our best fighter?

[StainlessSteelRat]

IF this phenomena is real and not contrived (I always try to hedge my bets), the NDA's those involved would have to acknowledge would be extremely stringent. Depending on what these things actually are, it might mean being deep-sixed if you ran your mouth.

I'd say there is zero chance these insiders like Elizondo, Dr Nolan, etc went "off the reservation" with this. They are obviously doing so at the behest of whoever controls this subject. What the end game is, is anyone's guess. I'm hoping it's a slow-roll of actual disclosure, as several of them have said. IMO if there's anything like an actual disclosure, there'll be plenty of existential butthurt when we have to realize we're not in Kansas anymore.

[WillBrink]

I'd say there is zero chance these insiders like Elizondo, Dr Nolan, etc went "off the reservation" with this. They are obviously doing so at the behest of whoever controls this subject. What the end game is, is anyone's guess. I'm hoping it's a slow-roll of actual disclosure, as several of them have said. IMO if there's anything like an actual disclosure, there'll be plenty of existential butthurt when we have to realize we're not in Kansas anymore.

I don't think any of them legit off the reservation and have been very careful about what they divulge, sources, etc. If anything, frustratingly so. Greer agrees with you and says Elizondo and others (Mellon, etc) are working for the gubment to control the narrative and set the stage for UFOs as a threat face vs beings that are of no threat to us at all. Dr Greer is either the all time best grifter who focuses on UFO's, or he knows more about the topic than anyone alive...Not sure what if any NDA Nolan ever signed and seems to be very open with what he knows and what he thinks is happening: