Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: 77gr SMK (blems) and Shooters World Precision rifle powder

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Texas Panhandle
    Feedback Score
    27 (100%)

    77gr SMK (blems) and Shooters World Precision rifle powder

    Review of the Load process thus far:

    - KAC 18 LPR Mod 2 upper with a Krieger barrel (1:7 twist)
    - Equipped with an AAC M4-2000 suppressor and Ecco conversion, utilizing the Grffin taper mount system
    - Rifle buffer system (Tubb spring on order)
    - LaRue MBT2S trigger
    - NF NX8 2.5-20x50 Tremor 3 scope
    - Atlas bipod featuring an Area419 arca attachment and rail
    - Utilizing a heavy fill rear bag for stability
    - Feeding from a 20-round ASC magazine for long loading

    Reload Details:
    - Utilizing mixed range brass, which is full-length resized and trimmed using a Dillon RT1200 to a length of 1.7590"
    - Cases are chamfered, deburred, and processed with a Dillon superswager tool
    - Dry tumbling is performed for cleaning
    - CCI450 primers are used
    - Employing Sierra 77gr SMK bullets with cannalures, specifically MidwayUSA blems
    - Shooters World Precision Rifle powder is chosen for the loads
    - Cartridges are loaded to a COAL of approximately 2.290"

    Loading Process:
    - Dillon 550b is used for reloading
    - Brass is run through a Redding full-length die, backed out to merely act as a neck die as its already been FL resized and trimmed
    - The Redding die serves to clean media from the flash hole, while the button is left on to slightly open and round the case mouth
    - The Dillon trim die may exhibit excessive neck tension and potential impact on the bullet jacket
    - Dillon powder dropper is utilized without modifications, throws are consistent with SWP
    - Seating is performed with a Redding die, and a light crimp is applied using a Lee die, barely touching the mouth

    Load Testing Results:
    - Commenced with a starting charge of 22.5gr and increased in increments of 0.5gr up to 25.0gr
    - The following results were obtained for the combination of Shooters World Precision Rifle powder and 77gr Sierra MatchKing blems:

    - High: 2444
    - Low: 2419
    - Average: 2428 (still locked back on the mag)
    - Standard Deviation: 10.1
    - Group size: 1.3moa (0.62moa without cold bore)

    - High: 2495 (last shot)
    - Low: 2426
    - Average: 2468
    - Standard Deviation: 29.2
    - Group size: 0.53moa

    - High: 2556
    - Low: 2495
    - Average: 2529
    - Standard Deviation: 24.4
    - Group size: 0.83moa

    - High: 2631
    - Low: 2532
    - Average: 2574
    - Standard Deviation: 36.5
    - Group size: 0.72moa

    - High: 2657
    - Low: 2601
    - Average: 2638
    - Standard Deviation: 23.4
    - Group size: 0.51moa (0.7moa second group, chrono off)

    - High: 2740
    - Low: 2677
    - Average: 2717 (21, 25, 25)
    - Standard Deviation: 23.8
    - Group size: 0.88moa

    25.0gr #2
    - High: 2751
    - Low: 2675
    - Average: 2713
    - Standard Deviation: 29
    - Group size: 0.57moa

    Overall Assessment:
    - The groups obtained are satisfying, but the standard deviations could be improved, being they were 10-36 SD for the various groups
    - At 25.0gr, the velocity was good for the shooter, with the primers showing slight signs of flattening but not at the edges
    - No swipes or ejector marks were observed
    - Longer loading may have contributed positively to controlling pressure
    - Future testing with charges in .2 increments from 24.7gr - 25.5gr is planned, with potential seating depth adjustments, although unlikely
    - Regarding the MidwayUSA blems, they have exhibited consistent weight and dimensions, with minor variations in the cannelure placement across different bags
    - No significant differences have been noted during testing, although the obvious blems were excluded from the load development
    - As a personal consideration, the use of HBN coating on bullets has previously shown lower velocity, lower pressure, and reduced standard deviations
    - In upcoming sessions, the shooter plans to sort brass by head stamps, clean primer pockets and flash holes, and apply HBN coating to the bullets for potential benefits
    Last edited by Wormydog1724; 07-13-23 at 10:08.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Feedback Score
    14 (100%)
    Great results. Is your COAL really 2.290"? Seems like that would be slightly longer than mag length.
    "What would a $2,000 Geissele Super Duty do that a $500 PSA door buster on Black Friday couldn't do?" - Stopsign32v

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Texas Panhandle
    Feedback Score
    27 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Great results. Is your COAL really 2.290"? Seems like that would be slightly longer than mag length.
    Yes, I am using ASC 20 round mags (blems from MidwayUSA also) and they allow about 2.230" or a little more. Just something I prefer to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
    This isn't "

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Utah, USA
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)
    Nice shooting! That LPR is impressive as well as your ability to shoot it.

    The blems are kind of interesting to deal with. I've had four go into .25" and then one will go off to make a .5" group. This makes it interesting when you are trying to do load testing.

    It's also good to see SWP working for you. I've had some initial success but have it as a backup to my stash of 8208XBR so I didn't spend a lot of time with it.

    The CCI 450 is a good, hard primer. I'll give that a try the next time I try loading SWP. The Fiocchi SRM is another one that I am playing with. It is really hard, and sometimes gives me issues in my bolt guns, but an AR has no problem with them. They were $20/k before the pandemic...if only I had a magic ball.

    I love the ASC mags!

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Texas Panhandle
    Feedback Score
    27 (100%)
    Recently, I headed back to the range for another ladder test, this time spanning from 24.7gr to 25.3gr. As previously mentioned, I applied HBN coating to the bullets, hoping it would improve the SD/ES. I had planned to sort the brass cases by headstamp, but I didn't follow through as I shoot competitions with mixed brass.

    Here are the results of the ladder test using 77gr SMK (blem) with SWP powder:

    - 24.7gr:
    Max 2622,
    Min 2555,
    Avg 2598,
    SD 28.4,

    - 24.9gr:
    Max 2708 (last shot),
    Min 2628,
    Avg 2650,
    Sd 33.1,

    - 25.1gr:
    Max 2691,
    Min 2631,
    Avg 2661,
    Sd 23,

    - 25.3gr:
    Max 2749,
    Min 2679,
    Avg 2707,
    Sd 39.5,

    Following that, I loaded 10 more rounds with 25gr, but I didn't keep detailed notes. The average for 25.0gr was 2670, with a grouping of 0.65moa.

    I feel comfortable in the 25.0-25.3gr range.

    During the tests, I didn't observe any pressure signs, although the case was completely full and compressed at 25.3gr. The temperature was 92, and that didn't cause any issues. I plan to try another 15 rounds at 25.0gr, and if it proves satisfactory, I'll stick with it.

    Unfortunately, the HBN coating didn't reduce the SD/ES as expected, and it seems to have lowered my velocity, as it usually does. Additionally, the group trends weren't ideal, but they might be related to the shooter. More testing and careful consideration are needed to improve the results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
    This isn't "

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Feedback Score
    14 (100%)
    Looks like you're getting more info than I've ever got when trying the ladder thing.
    "What would a $2,000 Geissele Super Duty do that a $500 PSA door buster on Black Friday couldn't do?" - Stopsign32v

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Feedback Score
    3 (100%)
    I got a good 0.7" group with these midway blems and 24.7gr of CFE223.

    I have shot over 1k of these bullets and I continue to buy them 2k at a time until midway stops carrying them. I love these things for the price.
    Tactical Nylon Micro Brewery


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts