Beretta's "New Assault Rifle Platform"

**Adrenaline_6** · 09-14-23, 09:03

Originally Posted by 556Cliff

I'm a Beretta fan (sorta), but I don't like the Sig MCX. So I'm having a hard time trying to find any real reason to like Beretta's copy of the MCX?

I much rather have that new HK thing that HK probably won't ever let us have... The HK MCX... https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/Prod...20rifles/HK433

I don't think this new Beretta rifle will be of much interest commercially though. I remember back when the ARX made it's first appearance at ShotShow in 2009 (if I recall correctly) and people were pretty excited about it. But the "NARP" is just not exciting people like the ARX did... Maybe it's the absolutely horrible name they gave it, or maybe it's because people can just go by a Sig MCX and have basically the same thing. Plus, if Beretta will drop all support of the ARX commercially after years of never really supporting it, then what gives people any confidence that they won't do the exact same thing with the NARP? Which already isn't as popular as the ARX was in it's beginning stages.

Yea, it will probably be a pretty good rifle, but as far as interesting goes...not very.

As far as HK goes, blame the US and German governments, not HK themselves. They would probably sell us anything we wanted if they had a choice in the matter. They actually don't hate us, like we all should already know, it's the governments that do.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...aws-vs-people/

**556Cliff** · 09-14-23, 10:14

Originally Posted by Adrenaline_6

Yea, it will probably be a pretty good rifle, but as far as interesting goes...not very.

As far as HK goes, blame the US and German governments, not HK themselves. They would probably sell us anything we wanted if they had a choice in the matter. They actually don't hate us, like we all should already know, it's the governments that do.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...aws-vs-people/

Couldn't they make the whole rifle at HK USA to get around any BS import rules? I don't see why they couldn't as that's exactly what Beretta did with the ARX.

**556Cliff** · 09-14-23, 10:16

Originally Posted by JediGuy

I am quite happy with a regular old internal piston AR. But really, if buying an external pistol AR-ish gun… Beretta seems like a good choice if they have improved things further than Caracal.

I struggled to see in the pictures, though, is that upper/lower the same shape as an AR?

It's literally a Sig MCX with the Beretta name on the side.

**Hank6046** · 09-14-23, 10:23

Originally Posted by Coal Dragger

Wonder if there will be a civilian market version?

I’d be interested in one.

I would too if the price is right.

**Adrenaline_6** · 09-14-23, 10:49

Originally Posted by 556Cliff

Couldn't they make the whole rifle at HK USA to get around any BS import rules? I don't see why they couldn't as that's exactly what Beretta did with the ARX.

I know the article was a little long, but it addresses that very question in one of the paragraph's.

"This understandably left a sour taste in H&K’s mouth but they continued to sell their new polymer handguns and the P7, as well as some politically correct sporting rifles that were exempt from both the import ban and the Assault Weapons Ban. But it’s 2013, hasn’t the Assault Weapons Ban been expired for over a decade? Well yes, but the ’89 import ban is still in place. But doesn’t H&K have a domestic manufacturing facility so they can make semi auto G36 rifles, MP5 variants, and maybe even an MP7 pistol or SBR stateside where they make the MR556? Well no, and here is where it gets extremely complex. First of all, German export laws are just as if not more complex than our import laws. You see, the German government effectively owns the patents and export rights of all firearms made in Germany, and it takes years to get approval for the exportation of even military rifle designs to H&K USA! For example, the HK 416 was in production in 2005, but it took six years to navigate the bureaucracy of two governments and tool up here in the USA to make some of the guns components. If it were not for the ’89 ban and the German governent’s export laws, H&K might have a complete and total stranglehold on the whole piston AR15 market (mind you this is speculation)."

**556Cliff** · 09-14-23, 11:01

Originally Posted by Adrenaline_6

I know the article was a little long, but it addresses that very question in one of the paragraph's.

"This understandably left a sour taste in H&K’s mouth but they continued to sell their new polymer handguns and the P7, as well as some politically correct sporting rifles that were exempt from both the import ban and the Assault Weapons Ban. But it’s 2013, hasn’t the Assault Weapons Ban been expired for over a decade? Well yes, but the ’89 import ban is still in place. But doesn’t H&K have a domestic manufacturing facility so they can make semi auto G36 rifles, MP5 variants, and maybe even an MP7 pistol or SBR stateside where they make the MR556? Well no, and here is where it gets extremely complex. First of all, German export laws are just as if not more complex than our import laws. You see, the German government effectively owns the patents and export rights of all firearms made in Germany, and it takes years to get approval for the exportation of even military rifle designs to H&K USA! For example, the HK 416 was in production in 2005, but it took six years to navigate the bureaucracy of two governments and tool up here in the USA to make some of the guns components. If it were not for the ’89 ban and the German governent’s export laws, H&K might have a complete and total stranglehold on the whole piston AR15 market (mind you this is speculation)."

Now that's disappointing to hear. I'm not sure if I ever saw the article where that was mentioned. Looks like we need to go bomb Germany again to free HK.

**.45fan** · 09-14-23, 11:08

Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector

Beretta makes some excellent stuff. I would definitely trust it out of the box vs anything from sig at this point.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

**Stickman** · 09-14-23, 17:32

Originally Posted by 556Cliff

Couldn't they make the whole rifle at HK USA to get around any BS import rules? I don't see why they couldn't as that's exactly what Beretta did with the ARX.

You would think so, but its not that simple. German law applies to the company itself, so regardless of where something is built it is still HK being held to German laws (at least that is how it was explained to me).