Does the Constitution give a blank check to the States for running elections?

[ABNAK]

The U.S. Constitution gives the power and responsibility of running elections to the individual States. But is it an unfettered "blank check"? I don't think it is.

The Founders obviously assumed that free and fair elections would be the norm. IMHO 2020 showed that not to be the case. Several states (key swing states BTW, what a coincidence) changed their voting procedures as a result of the scamdemic. Notice I didn't say they changed their LAWS.....these changes were instituted without being passed by their respective legislatures, as put forth by the U.S. Constitution. Governors and Secretaries of State made those calls, maybe a few AG's in the mix. The biggest change being the most obvious: mail-in voting and drop-boxes. Might also add that signature verification standards were relaxed too (another coincidence).

Clearly these changes were not in keeping with the process put forth by the Constitution, whereby LAWS are set by the State legislatures. These were work-arounds, claimed to be under extenuating and urgent circumstances.

Now lawsuits were filed by a group of states claiming (legitimately) that these unLAWful changes made in certain other states disenfranchised the voters in their own states. The courts conveniently ruled that these cases "didn't have standing", which is utter bullshit. The courts didn't want to be the ones left holding the bag of denying election results and the civil unrest that would no doubt occur by the scum in our society. It had never been done before and they damn sure didn't want to be the ones blazing that trail (even SCOTUS shirked their responsibility). They balked, caved, whatever you want to call it by that pussy "standing" crap. They were cowards.

I recall specifically in March of 2020 that bug-eyed c**t Pelosi saying "I think we're going to need to have mail-in voting because of this horrible disease". I remember thinking "You fvcking bitch, 8 months out and you're already calling for the Democrat's wet dream". No one knew how long COVID would last, but it was an opportunity to do something they had salivated over for decades. The perfect FRAUD and CHEATING opportunity.

Soooo.....does the Constitution give the States the power to do whatever the hell they want since they run their own elections? I submit to you that there needs to be a line drawn somewhere to ensure legitimate elections. A lot of people on our side shrugged and deferred to the Constitution while saying "Well States can do it however they want". I don't think the Founders ever meant that to be the case.

What is too much? How much is enough? What is acceptable?

[SomeOtherGuy]

This raises a lot of good questions. I'm not sure how many have clear answers from the Constitution, or precedents that deserve attention, or from Founders' writings to the extent we want to follow their thoughts that didn't make it in concrete form into the Constitution. To me the fundamental issue is that the country is too large, too diverse of thought and values, and far, far, far too corrupt for it to function any more.

For a scholarly discussion on actual laws, consider this short essay for Jonathan Turley, a law professor who takes an intelligent look at many issues, with a somewhat conservative/libertarian bent, but mostly just comparing actual law against all the BS "law" that leftists make claims about.

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/08/0...ver-elections/

[ABNAK]

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators.

Seems pretty cut and dry......the governor, Secretary of State, or AG of a particular state do not comprise the Legislature.



Of course the 4th Amendment also says this (illustrating they do what they want):

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Cops look for kiddie porn/guns/drugs with a warrant but find one of the others instead then too bad so sad for you. My point is that other basic Constitutional principles get routinely overlooked so why not one more right?

[ubet]

Where the founders failed is they did not do a better job with the electoral college. Instead of giving whomever a county one vote, then whomever won the must counties per state got that states electoral vote, they went with only land owners and white males could vote. They wanted tax payers and people with skin in the game to vote. They figured since it is a republic, the man should vote for the family. Representing his households will.

Well that’s got all screwed up and we have this crappy abomination we have now. We’d never have another demonrat elected if say modoc county in ca could cancel out sf county. We’d neutralize the large city votes instantly. We’d be more of a republic and better represented.

Conservatives can’t come together on whether the sky is blue. And damned sure can’t get our heads out of our ass and enough back bone to change this country back. We’ve lost the fight through ineptitude and not being involved because we have jobs.


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[Averageman]

I think when you look at "Mail-In Voting" and these drop boxes being stuffed with several hundred votes at a time, it's time for the Fed's to step in, in all fairness.
People doing a welfare check on an elderly neighbor shouldn't walk out of their house with a filled out ballot.
It's gone too far, way too far and it's time it stops.
Unless you work in the Polls, it should be a crime for you to touch another persons ballot.

[Alpha-17]

Where the founders failed is they did not do a better job with the electoral college. Instead of giving whomever a county one vote, then whomever won the must counties per state got that states electoral vote, they went with only land owners and white males could vote. They wanted tax payers and people with skin in the game to vote. They figured since it is a republic, the man should vote for the family. Representing his households will.

Well that’s got all screwed up and we have this crappy abomination we have now. We’d never have another demonrat elected if say modoc county in ca could cancel out sf county. We’d neutralize the large city votes instantly. We’d be more of a republic and better represented.

The problem there is not the system that the Founders created, but the entire idea we've tried to shove into their system of "one person, one vote." Extending the franchise to the extent it has will undoubtedly go down as one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made.

[ABNAK]

I think when you look at "Mail-In Voting" and these drop boxes being stuffed with several hundred votes at a time, it's time for the Fed's to step in, in all fairness.
People doing a welfare check on an elderly neighbor shouldn't walk out of their house with a filled out ballot.
It's gone too far, way too far and it's time it stops.
Unless you work in the Polls, it should be a crime for you to touch another persons ballot. Agreed 100%

That's kind of what I was driving at: I do not feel that the State's right to run an election is absolute and untouchable. It should be subject to some scrutiny when chicanery becomes obvious. Hell, the Federal courts rule on re-districting quite often.....isn't that part of the election process (sort of)?



I noticed something else in Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, right after the part about the state Legislature setting the rules: "....but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations...." Hmmm.

[chuckman]

The population of the 13 states when they wrote the constitution was 2.5 million. What they planned for in administering elections was based on what they had to work with. I am definitely a small-central government/pro states rights kind of guy, but 50 different ways to administer elections for > 300,000,000 people is, I think, abundantly ripe for fraud. I think this is one area where it should be overseen, and every state doing the same thing, and tightly controlled.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Extending the franchise to the extent it has will undoubtedly go down as one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made.

+339,000,000, or whatever the total population is today

I've been mentioning the problem of mob rule for a while. And it is mob rule - once you allow literally everyone to vote, the large numbers of the people who shouldn't be voting not only cancel out but dominate over the numbers of the wisest people.

This has been a problem for millennia with any system that has voting. It was a huge issue in Athens, and one of the reasons their government was unstable. The Founders knew this, at least knew of pretty much all issues with various democracies that predated the 1780's, and tried to design a government to mitigate the problem. There was absolutely no intention that all people would be voters. And so, here we are today, with the whole mob voting, serious "D" proposals to allow teenagers to vote to varying degrees, and de facto vote for resident aliens, legal and illegal, at least in big cities and liberal smaller towns. And the quality of our government reflects this.

I don't see any way a system this broken and corrupt can fix itself. It will have to collapse and be replaced. The replacement could even use the 1789 constitution, but minus a lot of the later amendments and interpretations.

[ABNAK]

The population of the 13 states when they wrote the constitution was 2.5 million. What they planned for in administering elections was based on what they had to work with. I am definitely a small-central government/pro states rights kind of guy, but 50 different ways to administer elections for > 300,000,000 people is, I think, abundantly ripe for fraud. I think this is one area where it should be overseen, and every state doing the same thing, and tightly controlled.

Absolutely. I too am a limited Federal government person, but the latter part of the clause that says "....but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations...." tells me that it CAN be overseen by Congress, at least to a degree.

Problem there is the whims of Congress and who controls it. The Democheats would LOVE to revamp it so no voter ID is required at all, national mail-in voting, and likely a few other quaint conveniences for them and their fraud. The Founders assumed that Congress, like most other institutions they crafted, would be "on the up and up", i.e. not corrupted to the core. Like an actual genuinely unbiased arbiter; of course that couldn't be further from the truth nowadays.

Quite frankly I think the Founders would be disgusted by what they see now.