Is the US Headed Towards Another Civil War?

[ABNAK]

This is really naive. A civil war would not start because of well-fed people like us getting upset and organizing one just for kicks (regardless of what Pelosi and the Jan 6 buffalo jump memes claim).

A civil war would start at various times of crisis. For example, when the USD hyperinflates, people who are currently fed but poor became unfed and hungry and start mass violence, and the local government that would normally crack down on them lacks either the will or the paid and well-fed police available to do a crack down. Hungry mob does something like the 2020 riots, chaos reigns for a week or two, then some sort of federal force comes in, initially welcomed by the less-hungry but some order like the confiscations after Katrina is given, local friendlies turn un-friendly, alliances start shifting between feds, hungry mob and local non-hungry types, etc.

It's not a planned out or armchair thing, it's a rolling disaster that shows up unexpectedly. My 2 cents.

Yes, exactly. It forms as it goes and builds momentum.

[BrigandTwoFour]

I've seen it talked about a lot lately that the most dangerous demographic, and precursor to societal violence, is disgruntled young men ages 17-25 (the so called "warrior years") who feel as though society has nothing to offer them and they have nothing to lose. Without incentive to participate and build, this group becomes apathetic or destructive.

Given the cultural zeitgeist of the last 20-30 years, where do you think our young men are at right now? Marriage is in decline, birth rates are tanking, the education system highly favors women- who graduate with 60% of the degrees. Jobs are all about "inclusive" hiring and promotion practices that directly come at the expense of young men.

As others noted, the catch here is that much of this generation of young men are too fat, sick, or disengaged to effectively take up violence. I think the tech world (with backing by the powers that be) are actively trying to assuage this group with entertainment, "virtual girlfriends," porn, and other avenues. That said, I think there's still enough (and growing) numbers of highly disgruntled and belligerent young men that we'll soon see some kind of organized violence over it.

[prepare]

This is really naive. A civil war would not start because of well-fed people like us getting upset and organizing one just for kicks (regardless of what Pelosi and the Jan 6 buffalo jump memes claim).

A civil war would start at various times of crisis. For example, when the USD hyperinflates, people who are currently fed but poor became unfed and hungry and start mass violence, and the local government that would normally crack down on them lacks either the will or the paid and well-fed police available to do a crack down. Hungry mob does something like the 2020 riots, chaos reigns for a week or two, then some sort of federal force comes in, initially welcomed by the less-hungry but some order like the confiscations after Katrina is given, local friendlies turn un-friendly, alliances start shifting between feds, hungry mob and local non-hungry types, etc.

It's not a planned out or armchair thing, it's a rolling disaster that shows up unexpectedly. My 2 cents.

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This too is a good assessment.

Basically the US as a republic has already fallen. The office of the presidency has already been captured. Even if jb was duly elected which half the people don't believe, there is no way he is in charge. We either have some form of individual capture or elite capture of the office of the president as well as other governmental departments.

With the national debt at 33 trillion, the rise of the BRICS, and countries dumping the dollar its just a matter of time before the US descends into some kind of catastrophic event.

[prepare]

I've seen it talked about a lot lately that the most dangerous demographic, and precursor to societal violence, is disgruntled young men ages 17-25 (the so called "warrior years") who feel as though society has nothing to offer them and they have nothing to lose. Without incentive to participate and build, this group becomes apathetic or destructive.

Given the cultural zeitgeist of the last 20-30 years, where do you think our young men are at right now? Marriage is in decline, birth rates are tanking, the education system highly favors women- who graduate with 60% of the degrees. Jobs are all about "inclusive" hiring and promotion practices that directly come at the expense of young men.

As others noted, the catch here is that much of this generation of young men are too fat, sick, or disengaged to effectively take up violence. I think the tech world (with backing by the powers that be) are actively trying to assuage this group with entertainment, "virtual girlfriends," porn, and other avenues. That said, I think there's still enough (and growing) numbers of highly disgruntled and belligerent young men that we'll soon see some kind of organized violence over it.

Even the so called warrior class these days are traumatized by the very violence of their own profession. Turning to prescription drugs and booze to cope with the death, destruction, and loss that is inherent in their chosen profession. I do believe however, they have intentionally been sold on a victim label/diagnosis though.

[HKGuns]

It will depend.

We've slowly allowed safety and convenience to over take freedom.

Try real hard to think of an aspect of your life that isn't regulated by some form of government. It goes well beyond the 2A stuff we all see very clearly.

My favorites are how we've allowed them to ruin gas cans. Even better are the ever changing regulations on AC units where you are forced to spend money on a new unit or spend roughly half the value on your existing unit just for the refrigerant charge they've banned and allowed others to stockpile.

This doesn't even touch on the media and other companies colluding with the .gov to lie, suppress freedom and institute mandates. Nor does it cover the two tiered justice system with activist judges and prosecutors and ZERO accountability for anyone in government.

Who went to jail for the 4 years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA? Who went to jail for Crossfire Hurricane? Who on this board would have gotten the deal Drug addict Biden got from the DA for any of the charges?

If you think the evil people don't notice there are no consequences, you are deadly mistaken.

Voting won't resolve where we are now, even if the "elections" aren't rigged, which I firmly believe they are...........and have been for a long time. (Think large cities swinging entire States)

The only question is what will be the tipping point where enough people say enough is enough.

ETA: Oh and I don't watch "TED TALKS."

[AKDoug]

Nope. We are a long way off from a civil war. The vast amount of Americans are well fed and content, there is not a clear divide on what to fight for, and there is not an ounce of leadership on either side to convince anyone to give their life for the "cause".. whatever that "cause" is. Some of y'all need to turn off the screen time and get out there and socialize with some real people.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I've seen it talked about a lot lately that the most dangerous demographic, and precursor to societal violence, is disgruntled young men ages 17-25 (the so called "warrior years") who feel as though society has nothing to offer them and they have nothing to lose. Without incentive to participate and build, this group becomes apathetic or destructive.

Given the cultural zeitgeist of the last 20-30 years, where do you think our young men are at right now? Marriage is in decline, birth rates are tanking, the education system highly favors women- who graduate with 60% of the degrees. Jobs are all about "inclusive" hiring and promotion practices that directly come at the expense of young men.

As others noted, the catch here is that much of this generation of young men are too fat, sick, or disengaged to effectively take up violence. I think the tech world (with backing by the powers that be) are actively trying to assuage this group with entertainment, "virtual girlfriends," porn, and other avenues. That said, I think there's still enough (and growing) numbers of highly disgruntled and belligerent young men that we'll soon see some kind of organized violence over it.

I say that is the wrong demo. Older, something to lose/live for and having had it taken away. Upper middle class and educated and educated. It seems like 35 YO engineers are the most dangerous people on the planet. Old enough to have networks, smart enough to make things go boom and fall, smart enough to do things so as to not get caught easily. That is the modern Heraclitus one that makes the difference.

[Alex V]

While I don't disagree, when I see condescending posts like that I always have to ask: What exactly did YOU do about it? Not a personal attack, just that when some people do the "tsk tsk shame on you" comments I usually can't recall hearing about them on the news taking things into their own hands. Just sayin'.....

That’s exactly why I said “we” and not “you”

It’s not condescending because I am included in the “we”

[ABNAK]

That’s exactly why I said “we” and not “you”

It’s not condescending because I am included in the “we”

Fair enough, carefully chosen words for the win! I get your point though. I honestly do think that there is a tipping point; what that is and when it will happen is anyone's guess.

I can say this though: when/if that point is reached and there is little to no enforcement of laws the things that will occur, which have been festering for years, will be ugly. People who would like to do XXX to illegal aliens and punk-ass kids will actually do it. You won't see illegal aliens walking across the border into our country chanting "Venezuela!", they'll be targets. You will see brats with no discipline get shot by the intended victims. No fvcks will be given. Sure that cuts both ways but in a free-for-all environment the current objects of our ire will get theirs (finally). Leftist commie judges, politicians, and their enforcers with badges and guns will suddenly be forced to remember they have families and places they call "home" after all (not condoning anything, just stating a likelihood). Think of all the shit you hate seeing happen and imagine there being little to no repercussions to doing what you've drunkenly thought at times.

The "civil war" being spoken of in this thread won't be organized forces opposing one another like 1861. It won't be an insurgency either. It will be the gradual decay of institutions and order where folks who are sick of shit finally see no downside to doing things they only mutter under their breath now. Sure, morals will cause a few to hesitate, but nowhere near enough to stop the bursting dam. It will be more of a breakdown than a civil war.

[henri]

Nope. We are a long way off from a civil war. 97% of Americans are well fed and content, there is NO clear divide on what to fight for, and there is not an ounce of leadership on either side to convince anyone to give their life for the "cause".. whatever that "cause" is. Some of y'all need to turn off the screen time and get out there and socialize with some real people.

True words indeed. These 'civil war' fantasy threads border on the insane and ridiculous. Those who advocate or sincerely want such an atrocity to occur are ignorant and clueless as to its ramifications; or inbred incels with no friends,family,property,wealth, employment or sense of self worth, so basically communists/socialists.