Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning to Announce Independent Run

[SomeOtherGuy]

I doubt he goes that route personally. Normally I'd say it's a bad move, but in his case, may be his only move at this point. He will pull mostly Dems, but I bet he'd pull more Independents and a few GOP (if Trump is their choice) than people might expect. Enough to win? No. Enough to make people wake up and realize there's more than just two parties in the US? Maybe, which may finally give someone not of the the two power sharing parties a legit shot at it in the future.

Thinking strategically, I think RFK could run, wipe out Biden's bleak chances, and still have it make sense as a true Democrat.

The DNC has been utterly dominated by the Clintons and Obama et al for roughly 30 years now. Look at how Sanders has been treated, look at how RFK is being treated right now. The current DNC is no more legitimate than elections in the USSR, and more people are starting to recognize this. What matters is that more lifelong Democrats are recognizing this, not that you and I know about it or care. So the DNC is losing support, legitimacy, and enthusiasm. They can still "win" through various means, but at some point it will be too fake to sustain.

If RFK runs and destroys the Dems in '24, presumably ushering in Trump or some other GOP pick, there will be a severely weakened DNC that will then be (hopefully) wiped out by legal investigations, turnabout from the 2016-today era against Trump. The DNC and its senior members are obviously corrupt enough that every one of them has committed major felonies, it only requires a basic investigation, and no bias is needed, just sunlight.

RFK hasn't really been in politics yet and doesn't appear to have corruption or crimes in his background, whatever people may think of his positions on issues. So he could cause a DNC crisis in '24, get blamed, sit back and watch the DNC get burned to the ground for a couple years, then step in with some hand-picked helpers to rebuild a new Democratic party that resembles his father's era, rather than the Clinton-Obama era. This is probably his only path to political power, given that he is shut-out from the current DNC and would never run as a Republican, or get elected to anything if he tried that. His only real alternative would be starting an all-new party, which is far less likely to work.

[SteyrAUG]

Hopefully he does to Biden what Perot did to Bush 1.

I only wish Perot had somehow won. After learning of everything he did out of pocket to support the rescue attempt in Iran as well as funding the special forces community in general, we could have done a lot worse and we did.

[ABNAK]

I only wish Perot had somehow won. After learning of everything he did out of pocket to support the rescue attempt in Iran as well as funding the special forces community in general, we could have done a lot worse and we did.

Yeah, the 19% of the vote he pulled gave us the Klinton regime.

[WillBrink]

Thinking strategically, I think RFK could run, wipe out Biden's bleak chances, and still have it make sense as a true Democrat.

The DNC has been utterly dominated by the Clintons and Obama et al for roughly 30 years now. Look at how Sanders has been treated, look at how RFK is being treated right now. The current DNC is no more legitimate than elections in the USSR, and more people are starting to recognize this. What matters is that more lifelong Democrats are recognizing this, not that you and I know about it or care. So the DNC is losing support, legitimacy, and enthusiasm. They can still "win" through various means, but at some point it will be too fake to sustain.

If RFK runs and destroys the Dems in '24, presumably ushering in Trump or some other GOP pick, there will be a severely weakened DNC that will then be (hopefully) wiped out by legal investigations, turnabout from the 2016-today era against Trump. The DNC and its senior members are obviously corrupt enough that every one of them has committed major felonies, it only requires a basic investigation, and no bias is needed, just sunlight.

RFK hasn't really been in politics yet and doesn't appear to have corruption or crimes in his background, whatever people may think of his positions on issues. So he could cause a DNC crisis in '24, get blamed, sit back and watch the DNC get burned to the ground for a couple years, then step in with some hand-picked helpers to rebuild a new Democratic party that resembles his father's era, rather than the Clinton-Obama era. This is probably his only path to political power, given that he is shut-out from the current DNC and would never run as a Republican, or get elected to anything if he tried that. His only real alternative would be starting an all-new party, which is far less likely to work.

Continue with the strategic considerations, I think the above scenario hinges on whether Trump wins the nomination. Anyone but Trump, I think a high % people will vote for RFK jr and the above happens, a good thrashing of the DNC. If it's Trump, the TDS is so strong out there, people will not be willing to take the chance and vote Brandon for the same reason they did before: he's not Trump. DNC strategists want Trump to win the nomination.

As bad as the country is, as bad as Brandon has been, I don't think the dynamic has changed there. They will be able to use the message a vote for RFK jr is a vote for Trump and it's game over.

Tell people a vote for RFK jr is a vote for Desantis to scare them, and it will not have the same impact, and RFK Jr picks up a good % of votes and your scenario happens.

[WillBrink]

I only wish Perot had somehow won. After learning of everything he did out of pocket to support the rescue attempt in Iran as well as funding the special forces community in general, we could have done a lot worse and we did.

He also put a lot into the SEAL Museum too. He really was a true patriot. No one can deny that one.

[Red*Lion]

He will pull a good number of the DeSantis Bobos and about 1/3rd of independents. This helps Gavin Newsom, as the left/dems will vote in mass for him and the massive fraud will push him to the win. POTUS Newsom.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Continue with the strategic considerations, I think the above scenario hinges on whether Trump wins the nomination. Anyone but Trump, I think a high % people will vote for RFK jr and the above happens, a good thrashing of the DNC. If it's Trump, the TDS is so strong out there, people will not be willing to take the chance and vote Brandon for the same reason they did before: he's not Trump. DNC strategists want Trump to win the nomination.

I have to say this is plausible. I hate it, I wish it wasn't, but TDS is some sort of extreme psychological phenomena and I can't say this wouldn't happen.

The Dems will be scrounging for votes in any other scenario, with how bad "Biden" is. If there's no TDS effect then half the dems will stay home. Of course, near-mandatory mail-in voting causes many of them to vote anyway, or "vote" in other cases. Tough call.

The other wildcard is that Trump is actually fiercely attractive to some voters who would otherwise vote Dem, including some of the labor movement types, first generation legal immigrants, and many of the non-white patriots, the civic nationalist types (whether you think that's a good or bad thing). The numbers of these groups are probably too small to offset the TDS effect, but I don't know.

[ABNAK]

He will pull a good number of the DeSantis Bobos and about 1/3rd of independents. This helps Gavin Newsom, as the left/dems will vote in mass for him and the massive fraud will push him to the win. POTUS Newsom.

Well since you're evidently so enlightened and voting for Lord Cheeto anyway I am a DeSantis supporter in the primary and would NEVER vote for RFKJr in the general. You make some assumptions that are not based in reality. They are based on generalizations that Trump fans try to paint anyone who doesn't worship the Orange God are somehow automatically going to vote Democrat.

[HKGuns]

He also put a lot into the SEAL Museum too. He really was a true patriot. No one can deny that one.

Yeah but he enabled 8 years of the PEDO and we barely dodged the other bullet in 2016. My Lord what a disaster.

[Diamondback]

Yeah, the 19% of the vote he pulled gave us the Klinton regime.

Don't forget GHWB's choice to shiv both the Tax Vote and the Gun Vote in the back... he did it to himself, almost like he didn't WANT to be reelected.