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    ATF Claims Solvent Traps Were Always Unregistered Silencers...

    https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/atf...#axzz8JswnxvmJ

    For years, people have been purchasing solvent traps and following Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) procedures to legally convert the devices into suppressors by filling out an ATF Form 1, paying for a $200 tax stamp, and going through all the checks and balances. The ATF has recently started rejecting all applications to make a suppressor. In a letter written to federal firearms licensees (FFLs) on November 20, the Bureau claims that solvent traps never existed under federal law and most have always been unregistered silencers.

    Solvent traps are devices used to catch fluids from cleaning firearms. The device attaches to the barrel of a gun. These traps can be purchased from various retailers, notably Chinese websites like Aliexpress and Wish. Many Americans purchased these items to legally convert solvent traps into suppressors, but the ATF claims the term does not exist in its regulations.

    “’Solvent traps’ are marketed as devices that attach to firearm barrels to catch excess solvent used when cleaning firearms,” the letter reads. “ATF has not classified any device as a ‘solvent trap,’ because that term does not exist in the relevant Federal statutes or implementing regulations.”


    More dishittery from the Agency Trafficking in Firearms.
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    Why not? They rule by decree with no oversight and no accountability. Tomorrow they can say “all semi-automatic firearms have always been machine guns” and would get away with it.
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    How long before they decide that flat sheet metal is a receiver? Flat washers are baffles? Seamless tubing is a suppressor? Wire hangers and springs are machineguns? If ever there was a government agency that needed to be completely abolished and every single item in its inventory down to the last staple sold at government auction....

    I wonder if they'll go after the big box stores or if they'll just crack down on the small, independent hardware stores and muffler shops...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoboTBL View Post
    How long before they decide that flat sheet metal is a receiver? Flat washers are baffles? Seamless tubing is a suppressor? Wire hangers and springs are machineguns? If ever there was a government agency that needed to be completely abolished and every single item in its inventory down to the last staple sold at government auction....

    I wonder if they'll go after the big box stores or if they'll just crack down on the small, independent hardware stores and muffler shops...
    LOL. They already did. For a time rubber donut screw gaskets (like those once found in washing machines) were considered suppressor wipes and and it was illegal to have extras. And while we are at it when copper mesh was used as a dampener in old school suppressors if you had "pot scrubbers" AND owned a suppressor, ATF typically determined that you were in possession of additional suppressor parts with the intent to produce and unregistered suppressor.
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    It is as simple as this: People and Organizations desire to be useful. If they aren’t being successful in an area, they will find an area where they can be or feel successful. This is why I am for minimal government. Because it is impossible to stay minimal without being for it and constantly downsizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    LOL. They already did. For a time rubber donut screw gaskets (like those once found in washing machines) were considered suppressor wipes and and it was illegal to have extras. And while we are at it when copper mesh was used as a dampener in old school suppressors if you had "pot scrubbers" AND owned a suppressor, ATF typically determined that you were in possession of additional suppressor parts with the intent to produce and unregistered suppressor.
    Didn't they also classify a shoe lace as a machinegun since you could use it to bump fire? They have been making it up as they go for eons.
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    Our supreme court shot it down, but at one time Kentucky(or at least an agency in KY) was trying to make possession of anything used to make methamphetamine(no exaggeration, wooden spoon and a cooking pot was part of it) evidence a person was cooking meth.

    One of many reasons the "war on drugs" needs ended.
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    :ATF has not classified any device as a ‘solvent trap,’ because that term does not exist in the relevant Federal statutes or implementing regulations.”

    So that used to mean it was legal.

    One entity used to have a list of what it was allowed though.

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.:

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    "For years, people have been purchasing solvent traps and following Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) procedures to legally convert the devices into suppressors by filling out an ATF Form 1, paying for a $200 tax stamp, and going through all the checks and balances."

    Really? Is anyone here purchasing so-called solvent traps and stamping them?

    I never paid it any attention so I googled 'solvent traps'. At the top of search was a company called KMwhisper. Among the solvent traps they sell is a $1,000 Titanium solvent trap on sale for $500 with a drilling jig for 15% off, and optional booster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    "For years, people have been purchasing solvent traps and following Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) procedures to legally convert the devices into suppressors by filling out an ATF Form 1, paying for a $200 tax stamp, and going through all the checks and balances."

    Really? Is anyone here purchasing so-called solvent traps and stamping them?
    Yes. They're a cool way to do an F1 can. In the end though, you can really just buy a direct thread can for about the same price, and don't have to deal with the cutting of metal and all that.
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