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    KAC ideas

    There needs to be a much better way to obtain spare or replacement parts. Referring customers to Operations Parts or other third parties and then us having to dumpster dive the internet to find stuff--sucks. That's not a slam on Ops parts, the demand for KAC stuff is very high. I also pay attention to the KAC website for what's available and appreciate the increase in parts there.

    For replacement parts, possibly have the customer provide a serial number when ordering things like firing pins, bolts, gas tubes or other unique KAC ecosystem parts and ensure that people aren't ordering five BCGs and only have one SR15. Also, sell more of the small things. Huge step forward having the URX3 screws available individually, I had to buy an entire parts kit last time for one screw. Design a system where you are a registered user, provide serial numbers and can order needed parts in single lots or even go as far as to say you can order but have to send the failed part back to KAC--like a battery core charge type of deal. Charge me $150 for the firing pin, and I get $75 back when you get my old pin. If I don't' send the pin, I can't order anymore parts. I'm still essentially paying the MSRP for the firing pin and now I can actually get the pin!!! Scalpers won't/can't pay that extra cost and make money--especially if they are only trying to slap the secondary market. People who spent $5000 on a rifle can afford the $150 firing pin and the core charge situation would not be a deal breaker. If you change the price to $150, scalpers will just buy them all at that price and sell them for $200-300. Having that same system provide KAC rifle owners the ability to buy things like MAMs would also be a huge step forward.

    The failed part program would be useful to R&D

    Using this parts kit as an example
    https://www.knightarmco.com/17907/sh...eld-repair-kit

    Try to find on Internet for sale from a primary/KAC/approved dealer.... (as of 1120 this morning, none are out there for purchase)

    I know that's a pain in the ass. But it's even more of a pain in the ass when something goes sideways and you can't find what's needed to fix because it's unobtanium. I had a lengthy discussion with a couple of friends who want SR25s, I have to dissuade to some extent based on parts availability for rifles intended for high round counts---not to mention trying to buy one at this point in time is difficult. A home brew build will most likely not hold up the same but I can find parts immediately.

    The manual of arms that comes with an SR25 is nothing short of astounding in terms of detail and no other weapon I'm aware of provides this kind of detail to the end user. KAC is the quintessential hard use/high round count/no bullshit weapon system. We just need the ability to keep them running after purchase!!!! I understand scarcity drives the desire and that is part of the brand--but parts availability is critical after the sale. If this all boils down to truly, KAC cannot keep up with demand on current production--that's a great problem to have but it's still a problem.

    Another idea would be to engage the user at the point of sale: setup the support account, provide a list of things they can order for the life of their weapon (here's where you pitch MAMs upgrade etc)--get us involved from the outset. Pull us in, keep track of us, market to us directly. Build a program of engagement, keep people interested after the sale--support the end user and keep us coming back for more in the future. KAC has enough of a brand built you wouldn't have to do much if anything to incentivize, throw a sticker and a velcro patch in for signing up and you'd probably be at 100%. Having a KAC app to scan a QR code bundled with a rifle sale would not be a difficult project. Hell, QR code everything so end users scan/track their collection. Could also integrate the app as your Point of Sale/Support system and pass the data to whatever your current ERP happens to be.

    I'm not a ninja coder but with chatgpt and a little googlefu--I would go so far as to say a reasonably skilled dev could have a proof of concept app front end in a couple of days if not literally a few hours (depends on skill). Securing the connection to ERP, testing and building out the rest, definitely more challenging--but it's not years worth of work. I'm sure you already have the all databases on the back-end to tie into so it's not a reinvent the wheel scenario. Securing it and keeping the malevolent s$%# stains from screwing it over will be hard part.

    Partner with someone respected in the community and start churning out Instagram reels for new or re-release products.

    First 100 app users have option option to buy...

    KAC-Knight's Armament URX 3.1 5.56mm 13.5" Length P/n 30325
    Woodland Camo Cerakote with the required installation wrench...

    during checkout offer.....
    matching SOPMOD buttstock in Woodland...

    At that point people's heads just explode...

    Build campaigns around these types of sales for unique, hard to find or out of production items. Push via app notification. Market accordingly!

    Other ideas as example--something old with something new/better/improved

    Bring back 98068 in partnership with PTR and/or HKParts, maybe even make a heavy buffer upgrade option as part of package or gain permission to make an MSG90 stock

    Bring back 22243-1 and partner with Aimpoint for a cerakote FDE model and a Comp M5 with rail specific mount

    Bring back the SAS bottom rail and partner with LMT on another round of M203/37mm Flare Launchers

    I don't know what a minimum parts run looks like in order for it to make sense but you could easily tap forums to see what response would look like.

    There is a metric crap ton of pent up desire for missed opportunities--Steyr is perfect example with the 24" HBAR.

    Old School KAC Mk11 and Mk12 reproductions??? Don't have to be clone exact, make a mod 1/2/3/x version to account for the technology changes. Sit down with Recoil and pitch alongside an SR-25 PR, M-LOK to see response... Holy hell, your marketing people have to realize that would be a money printer...

    A KAC SR15HBAR dressed up like a 6600DH of yore but with say a Trijicon 2-10x36 would be a rockstar... partner with Chris Reeves to include a special edition bayonet.. Put an M110 stock on it...

    There are thousands of us watching this new UK rifle contract and hoping some of it comes back this direction after fulfillment.

    You are one of the only companies that could tell customers---pay up front to order a new Mk11 mod 1, will deliver sometime in next 24-36 months and sell out of your allocation before the 1 and 0s are even backed up to cloud at the end of the day.

    Partner with Applied Ballistics to build profiles based on your product data and their system...

    Just my 2cents, always a fan and customer.

    Take my money damn it!!!
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    KAC's proprietary stuff is why outside of the RAS rails, I'd never get involved with their products. If you gave me a KAC gun, I'd just sell it to someone willing to take on that package deal.
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    I sold an SR25 to build two 308 pattern SR25 clones and it was still cheaper--that included optics for both and they weren't budget builds... I do miss that rifle and strongly wish I had kept it!! I still have SR30 and SR15s with a DSR30 upper in NFA purgatory. I really wanted to buy a used M110 off gunbroker but I know I can't buy any of the parts to maintain it. If it was shot out I'd have a parts gun and a multi year journey to bring it back to good.

    Still, KAC makes grown men pee like Taylor Swift fans and I don't really see that in the rest of the firearms community.

    They could make a rail attached dildo and market it as "Go F yourself" and it would sell out in 2 hours.

    Make a thicker Broom Stick grip and call it "the plug" #profit
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanm View Post
    Still, KAC makes grown men pee like Taylor Swift fans and I don't really see that in the rest of the firearms community.

    They could make a rail attached dildo and market it as "Go F yourself" and it would sell out in 2 hours.
    You aren't lying. I get to shoot a handful of KAC guns owned by my buddies. They're nice guns, but the proprietary parts cause me angst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    KAC's proprietary stuff is why outside of the RAS rails, I'd never get involved with their products. If you gave me a KAC gun, I'd just sell it to someone willing to take on that package deal.
    Same here. I know their great rifles, but proprietary parts throw me off. I've also been flagged by 2 people at classes with them, because the people who owned them just assumed that they were buying skill and proficiency with their purchase
    Dr. Carter G. Woodson, “History shows that it does not matter who is in power or what revolutionary forces take over the government, those who have not learned to do for themselves and have to depend solely on others never obtain any more rights or privileges in the end than they had in the beginning.”

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    You are definitely correct Mark! Part of the reason I ditched SR25 previously is if I start to have issues at around the 5,000rd point--then I get to go on the wonderful journey to find replacements. Manual says five rounds a minute/4 minute interval then cool down, barrel life **should*** be 5000+ rounds. **should** I started out my day in a "gonna find an SR25" again mode, but started with parts--killed my dream again. I would envision needing a possible barrel replacement this year and that's after buying a new rifle. On the SR15s I think 15-25K is probably reasonable, that's a lot of shooting before I have to get concerned--and I do have spares for those rifles. If I shoot the barrel out, I'm not sure what that process looks like. I have all the tools to do it myself, but I don't know if KAC sells barrels like that. I know there are some cloner barrels on the market but I'd rather be able to buy a KAC barrel. I'm not so much concerned about clone correctness as I am keeping the system as tested together. If I had to do barrel would do bolt, gas system and carrier key as well. If they want to recommend third party options that would work, possibly voiding warranty--I'd be all ears but for liability reasons I doubt that would happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank6046 View Post
    Same here. I know their great rifles, but proprietary parts throw me off. I've also been flagged by 2 people at classes with them, because the people who owned them just assumed that they were buying skill and proficiency with their purchase
    Those are always the fun ones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanm View Post
    Those are always the fun ones!
    The one time I took a Carbine 1 class and a guy with a 10.5" Knights had on full kit, full battle belt, PC and helmet. He had a Roland type Glock that the instructor took away because he wanted to know how to transition, he couldn't print a group at 50 yards and wanted to know how to transition to his pistol... He got brass down his shirt and immediately started freaking out and flagging everyone, I grabbed his rail and kept the rifle pointed down range, he was taken by one of the instructors into a different bay for individual training. I did get 30% my next class for being next to him in the line and keeping his rifle pointed down range.
    Dr. Carter G. Woodson, “History shows that it does not matter who is in power or what revolutionary forces take over the government, those who have not learned to do for themselves and have to depend solely on others never obtain any more rights or privileges in the end than they had in the beginning.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank6046 View Post
    The one time I took a Carbine 1 class and a guy with a 10.5" Knights had on full kit, full battle belt, PC and helmet. He had a Roland type Glock that the instructor took away because he wanted to know how to transition, he couldn't print a group at 50 yards and wanted to know how to transition to his pistol... He got brass down his shirt and immediately started freaking out and flagging everyone, I grabbed his rail and kept the rifle pointed down range, he was taken by one of the instructors into a different bay for individual training. I did get 30% my next class for being next to him in the line and keeping his rifle pointed down range.
    Just imaging what would have happened if they had been an E1-E3 in basic... The memes.... they burn!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank6046 View Post
    Same here. I know their great rifles, but proprietary parts throw me off. I've also been flagged by 2 people at classes with them, because the people who owned them just assumed that they were buying skill and proficiency with their purchase
    Ya know, HK and Knights both have that kind of following. I've met some guys who really did think "one day" the government was gonna bring them in on the hunt to smoke Bin Laden because certain agencies had heard about their prowess at the range. If we are going to do this, we need to bring in Frank Hamer.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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