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    SOLGW is great stuff! They are definitely paying attention to the market with what they sell as well as keeping costs reasonable. Have a 13.7 middy with factory pw to 16 from them and itís solid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by themonk View Post
    But as stated above you get a ridiculous amount of R&D and testing. Probably more than anyone else in the game right now if you want to put up with the BS.
    I'm not hating on KAC, but how much magic can they really put into a 60 year old design, beyond improved gas port location and tube lengths? To which there is a down-side as it becomes proprietary.

    The changes we've enjoyed for the last 20 years have come from many different fronts. The rails most of us are using now are essentially copies of what HK put into their MR series rifles in what 2005/6? Monolithic uppers came either from LMT or Colt, don't know who was first on that one. The LMT enhanced bolt is sweet but try to buy one right now. There are more piston designs on the market now, but those are mostly HK MR / G36 copies that are modern refinements of the AR180 that is 50 years old.

    Military contracts matter, which to me is the entirety of the fascination with KAC - HK etc..beyond the marketing fluff.....Combat tested and proven to be the best of the best.

    ETA: I thnk Bill G is the one to watch. He mainly started on the consumer side and has built a solid reputation for doing things the right way. They appear to now be winning Military contracts for rifles, which will put him in direct competition with HK - KAC etc.....We've seen a ton of innovation out of his crew and of course, the marketing to go along with it. Only he appears willing and able to keep rifles and parts in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    I needed a gas tube. I was able to document it with a picture, it was clearly worn out. They got me a gas tube.
    What did you have to pay?

    Are you okay with not having the rifle working for some period of time because they won't get you parts proactively?

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    Right now, the only barrels/uppers Iím interested in are from Centurion. Their CHF FN made barrels are magic sauce. I see no reason to buy anything else. They have every barrel length, profile, weight and contour you could want with excellent rails to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    I'm not hating on KAC, but how much magic can they really put into a 60 year old design, beyond improved gas port location and tube lengths? To which there is a down-side as it becomes proprietary.

    The changes we've enjoyed for the last 20 years have come from many different fronts. The rails most of us are using now are essentially copies of what HK put into their MR series rifles in what 2005/6? Monolithic uppers came either from LMT or Colt, don't know who was first on that one. The LMT enhanced bolt is sweet but try to buy one right now. There are more piston designs on the market now, but those are mostly HK MR / G36 copies that are modern refinements of the AR180 that is 50 years old.

    Military contracts matter, which to me is the entirety of the fascination with KAC - HK etc..beyond the marketing fluff.....Combat tested and proven to be the best of the best.

    ETA: I thnk Bill G is the one to watch. He mainly started on the consumer side and has built a solid reputation for doing things the right way. They appear to now be winning Military contracts for rifles, which will put him in direct competition with HK - KAC etc.....We've seen a ton of innovation out of his crew and of course, the marketing to go along with it. Only he appears willing and able to keep rifles and parts in stock.
    Well Reed was the last guy to work with Stoner, there is a reason those rifles are called SR-25s and SR-15s. And then there is performance. I really like the BCM rifles I've seen but to beat a Colt, you really do have to spend twice as much money when we are comparing similar platforms (barrel length, twist, gas tube length, etc.). If you want bombproof and astonishing accuracy, that is really the main feature of Knights rifles...it isn't about shiny doo dads. I just wish they were more available and had stronger customer support for things like parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleW View Post
    Right now, the only barrels/uppers I’m interested in are from Centurion. Their CHF FN made barrels are magic sauce. I see no reason to buy anything else. They have every barrel length, profile, weight and contour you could want with excellent rails to boot.
    This is true. I built a 14.5 upper using Centurion parts and it's a lights out shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themonk View Post
    KAC is a non-commercial supplier to governments and militaries around the world first. Because of that, if you are on the commercial side, you will have to wait around for the table scraps. But as stated above you get a ridiculous amount of R&D and testing. Probably more than anyone else in the game right now if you want to put up with the BS.

    I have an SR25 APC that I got at retail during COVID. I sold a used SCAR 17 (that I actually got for free from a client) with a Razor 1-6 for more than what I paid for the SR. I love that gun and after swapping to a Tubbs spring it will shoot any ammo with or without a can. I have stacked 10 rounds sub-MOA 3 times and if I do my part she is sub-MOA all day.

    I also have an SR15 that I got on sale from Brownells and then sold the 16" upper for more than it was worth about a year ago and picked up a 14.5 upper for my lower. That gun is sub-MOA with match ammo and with 70gr TSX. It's just an AR though at the end of the day, I am not as in love with that gun as I am the 25. If it wasn't a sub-MOA 14.5 it would probably be culled. I really love the URX4 and the long lengths Knights makes for their guns. I have still not heard of a broken bolt with the E3 bolts but have secondary bolts for both that were insanely expensive and probably not worth it, but can always be resold for probably more than I paid.

    Unless the 25 falls in your lap lightly used or on sale I think the prices are too damn high and no longer worth it after the last price increase. That being said high 2k for the 15s is in line with Gucci ARs right now. The question is, is the space magic still as magical as it was 10 years ago or are you better off buying a Noveske, V7, SOLGW, Geissele, Cobalt, DD ect? I think as of right now, it's the latter.
    I agree with much of this. I bought my first SR-15 for $2,300. And I used to defend them as a bargain. Donít need a rail, donít need a trigger..many of us spend $2k plus getting our rifles like we want. But now the prices have gone crazy. I way ahead on my KAC purchasing / selling like a lot of people that bought earlier on and maybe sold a few things.

    Lotta great guns out there now, KAC is one of them but if youíre late to the game, kinda $$$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disciple View Post
    What did you have to pay?

    Are you okay with not having the rifle working for some period of time because they won't get you parts proactively?
    So I dug through my emails to answer this and was surprised by what I found. I stand corrected on my story.

    I bought a gas tube from operation parts to fix the upper. It was 62$ and seemingly in stock at the time.

    KAC did replace an extractor I had that was oversized. They simply sent me a new one no cost.

    I took this upper in trade and have not bought another since. I prefer just use mid length gas and lmt enhanced BCG.

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