So God gave us Trump.

[vicious_cb]

Can you imagine the crap storm the msm media would be having if teachers / districts were supporting grooming kids in Christianity behind parents backs vs. the virtual silence & avoidance of addressing the perverse deviant gender ID dogma that is going on.

Clown show.

Its almost like the same sex marriage stuff that SteyrAUG is vehemently trying to defend as some kind of pro-individual freedom thing was actually a Trojan horse for all the stuff you mentioned, a frog in a pot being brought up to a boil. I mean you definitely dont see the same strategy being used for things like gun control right?

[georgeib]

Its almost like the same sex marriage stuff that SteyrAUG is vehemently trying to defend as some kind of pro-individual freedom thing was actually a Trojan horse for all the stuff you mentioned, a frog in a pot being brought up to a boil. I mean you definitely dont see the same strategy being used for things like gun control right?

Indeed.

I guess all the "religious nuts" 30 years ago, who called it then, were right. Society is never stronger than its morals as history has shown us repeatedly.

[SteyrAUG]

Its almost like the same sex marriage stuff that SteyrAUG is vehemently trying to defend as some kind of pro-individual freedom thing was actually a Trojan horse for all the stuff you mentioned, a frog in a pot being brought up to a boil. I mean you definitely dont see the same strategy being used for things like gun control right?

But it is a personal freedom thing. If a person is gay they should be allowed to get married for all the legal reasons other people get married. Bringing a gay agenda to public schools is an entirely different thing.

Public schools need to be about education, NOT social engineering. That includes adult content of all kinds, lots of religious stuff and most other things that aren't about reading, writing, math, science, etc. Pretty much ALL activism has little or no place in public schools.

[SteyrAUG]

Indeed.

I guess all the "religious nuts" 30 years ago, who called it then, were right. Society is never stronger than its morals as history has shown us repeatedly.

Ya mean like 32 years ago or 35 years ago?

[vicious_cb]

But it is a personal freedom thing. If a person is gay they should be allowed to get married for all the legal reasons other people get married. Bringing a gay agenda to public schools is an entirely different thing.

Public schools need to be about education, NOT social engineering. That includes adult content of all kinds, lots of religious stuff and most other things that aren't about reading, writing, math, science, etc. Pretty much ALL activism has little or no place in public schools.

You know how we've all learned to never give an inch to any gun control because they will take a mile.

Same applies to the above, if you think the two are unrelated and fail to see the links between that and the not so secret gay agenda, its something you should look into. Hey man, I got fooled too, I was pretty libertarian in the 2000's even supported the same sex stuff, live and let live right?

Sorry but my eyes are wide open now, they're not just taking a mile, they're taking the entire field along with your kids and smearing and canceling everyone who stands against it as an anti-LBTQ+/-² racist bigots. We let the devil in door now he's sleeping on the couch and cleaning out your fridge and refuses to be evicted.

[SteyrAUG]

You know how we've all learned to never give an inch to any gun control because they will take a mile.

Same applies to the above, if you think the two are unrelated and fail to see the links between that and the not so secret gay agenda, its something you should look into. Hey man, I got fooled too, I was pretty libertarian in the 2000's even supported the same sex stuff, live and let live right?

Sorry but my eyes are wide open now, they're not just taking a mile, they're taking the entire field along with your kids and smearing and canceling everyone who stands against it as an anti-LBTQ+/-² racist bigots. We let the devil in door now he's sleeping on the couch and cleaning out your fridge and refuses to be evicted.

I guess I never got to the "all people who are X are exactly alike" place. I've got gay friends who are cops, are they secretly pedos too? I've got gay friends who CCW and IDPA, are they secretly anti gun? I've got gay friends who are in the US military right now, are they really anti freedom? You seem to know my friends better than I do.

My take is anyone who subscribes to "all people who are X are exactly alike", they might be the actual racists. Now make no mistake, in every group you can imagine, you will probably find pedos, commies, bigots and racists...but that isn't always a reflection of any given group. Even in organized religion we seem to have pedos, commies and racists...is that the actual agenda of the church given your examples?

[vicious_cb]

I guess I never got to the "all people who are X are exactly alike" place. I've got gay friends who are cops, are they secretly pedos too? I've got gay friends who CCW and IDPA, are they secretly anti gun? I've got gay friends who are in the US military right now, are they really anti freedom? You seem to know my friends better than I do.

My take is anyone who subscribes to "all people who are X are exactly alike", they might be the actual racists. Now make no mistake, in every group you can imagine, you will probably find pedos, commies, bigots and racists...but that isn't always a reflection of any given group. Even in organized religion we seem to have pedos, commies and racists...is that the actual agenda of the church given your examples?

Did I say anything about your friends? I'm not the one taking this to an individual level. Im talking about the legislation in the 90's that allowed all this stuff in door, if anything your gay friends should be the ones speaking out against the not so secret gay agenda being peddled to children cause it makes them all look bad. If they arent speaking out against it, well then maybe you dont know your friends as well as you thought. But since you brought it up, you might want to see if they are part of the woke cult thats pushing this stuff.

Its every institutions job to police their own and clean up their own house when needed, the church is no exception. Has the gay community carried out a purge of the ultra woke Im not aware of? Seems like the opposite to me, if anything they've closed ranks and allowed the sickos to run the show. Maybe Leviticus 18 was right, not as religious law but as an ancient warning of what would happen to society if you let this stuff run rampant as evidenced by the current state of Western civilization.

[SteyrAUG]

Did I say anything about your friends?.

My apologies if I got it wrong. It did seem like you were talking about all of them.

[Averageman]

The Supreme Court spoke to this over 50 years ago in Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York. Opinion of the court "The exemption creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state, and far less than taxation of churches. It restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other.” , “freedom from taxation for two centuries has not led to an established church or religion, and, on the contrary, has helped to guarantee the free exercise of all forms of religious belief."

The notion of government officials demanding that churches open their places of worship to house millions of illegals (pick whatever group you like) else punish them by removing their tax exempt status should send chills down the spine.

That's not to say that I personally approve of the actions of all churches or leadership, I don't. Nor do I approve of the actions of all gun owners. However, I support both groups to freely exercise their Constitutionally protected liberties.

* A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

* Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

I'm good with both.

The point of Churches being local and a part of the Community was that they would step in and provide help.
Long before our .gov stepped in to provide " Welfare" Churches would step in and help the poor and displaced.
It is my feeling that, that is specifically why they were not taxed.
Also, a Church isn't and cannot be the property of it's Pastor.
If you go back to Europe people would often enter a Catholic Church for "Sanctuary". .Those folks were protected and fed and the Priests didn't own the Church and therefore couldn't turn people away.
So you move forward a couple Centuries and now these Guys act like they own the place and will pick and choose case by case as to who they will help.
You're supposed to humble yourself, take a vow of poverty and serve.
No camera's, no make-up, no wealth

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) on Sunday threw his support behind former President Trump, effectively snubbing his state’s own governor, Ron DeSantis, for 2024.

In a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, Rubio railed against the Biden administration’s record, arguing Trump’s “extraordinary actions” are needed to “fix the disaster” of the country.

“I support Trump because that kind of leadership is the ONLY way we will get the extraordinary actions needed to fix the disaster Biden has created. It’s time to get on with the work of beating Biden & saving America!”

More here: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...snub-desantis/