Iranian ballistic missile attack underway against US forces in Iraq.

[Grendelshooter]

The Shah brought them to the 20th Century. We should have fought much harder to protect his regime.
Instead we got another great gift from France and look what happened.

Edit to add:
There was some speculation that some of the bodies fished out of the water after that passenger jet had went down had been dead for at least a week before there bodies got in the water.
So was it a massive PR Stunt to Garner sympathy? I think so.
Remember, these are the same folks who matched Children through minefields during the Iran/Iraq War.
They have no credibility with me and I can see little reason to put up with their hijinks anymore.
This crap ebbs and flows and they seem to ebb long enough for us to exchange our Political Heros and then because we're stupid, we have to learn this stuff all over again.
There really is a way to fix this once and for all and also gain some street credibility as a Nation again.
Instead we will wait for them to take over another cruise ship and start throwing crippled Jews over the side. AGAIN!

Like commodore Perry bringing the Japanese into the modern world-by threat of cannon fire.
Trade with us or die.
“As you enter the home, greet its occupants. 13 If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; but if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.”

Did Christ tell the apostles to spread His word by force of arms? No. He didn’t try to justify doing so by saying “It’s what’s best for them” even though it most certainly was. The nations were free to accept or deny Him as they saw fit and they would reap reward or destruction on their own merits.

If people want what you’re selling then you won’t have to force things upon them, and it is absolutely unethical for us to go around forcing other peoples to do our bidding simply because we can. When has this EVER worked out well for us?

You can believe whatever conspiracy theories you like about plane loads of dead Iranians, but there are few reasons to justify instigating regime change anywhere. The behest of private industry or our own convenience are definitely not one of those reasons.

If the jews have beef with Iran let them handle it. They have a state now, so let them do state things. Neither country is worth our blood or treasure. We should deal equitably with all and if they don’t want what we have to offer maybe we should just leave them alone?

One can shout all day about them doing this or that, but we threw the first punch in this fight. We aught to repent for that.

[Averageman]

I don't particularly care at this point about the fight between Hamas (Not Palestine you'll notice) and Israel. Nor do I give a particular damn about installing the Shah of Iran.
You're either a part of the problem or part of the answer. How many of those College age radicals now regret getting involved with the Ayatollahs?
They were fed a line of voodoo, a sect of Islam that worships death and wants to drag the rest of the World down with their own destruction.
Even their fellow Muslims don't want any of that crap.

They got sold the same bill of goods Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin were selling, they just wrapped it up in a Koran rather than Communism and a small well armed minority of the Population bought in to it.

So don't try and tell me Jesus wants me to be a communist, a socialist or a Muslim now, cause I don't think so.

[AKjeff]

If Iran would stop exporting the crazy very few would care what they do.

[Averageman]

Exactly Right.
I don't subscribe to their beliefs any more than they subscribe to the 21st Century.
They got rid of their Shah of Iran and all the progress he brought to them and now they want to regress to the 11th Century, but with Nukes and Chem weapons anti anti ship ballistic missiles.
Screw Them, there is no one who deserves a nuke on their Capital more.

[chuckman]

Exactly Right.
I don't subscribe to their beliefs any more than they subscribe to the 21st Century.
They got rid of their Shah of Iran and all the progress he brought to them and now they want to regress to the 11th Century, but with Nukes and Chem weapons anti anti ship ballistic missiles.
Screw Them, there is no one who deserves a nuke on their Capital more.

The progress the Shah brought came at a price. He was an awful dictator, too. He did westernize Iran and what he did with the economy was miraculous, but he was was brutal on opposition and dissidents.

I agree they deserve a nuke. They are a pest, and you exterminate pests. Especially ones that want to exterminate YOUR way of life.

[Grendelshooter]

I don't particularly care at this point about the fight between Hamas (Not Palestine you'll notice) and Israel. Nor do I give a particular damn about installing the Shah of Iran.
You're either a part of the problem or part of the answer. How many of those College age radicals now regret getting involved with the Ayatollahs?
They were fed a line of voodoo, a sect of Islam that worships death and wants to drag the rest of the World down with their own destruction.
Even their fellow Muslims don't want any of that crap.

They got sold the same bill of goods Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin were selling, they just wrapped it up in a Koran rather than Communism and a small well armed minority of the Population bought in to it.

So don't try and tell me Jesus wants me to be a communist, a socialist or a Muslim now, cause I don't think so.

Thing is, you can’t talk about the Ayatollahs without acknowledging that they wouldn’t have had an avenue to power without Operation Ajax. We overthrew their elected government so BP could avoid being audited by the Iranian government. We robbed them of the ability to self govern, so radicalism took its place.
Sounds like a familiar tune, eh?

Christ did say something about not pointing out the spec in your neighbors eye while ignoring the plank in your own.
Christ did tell you to repent of your sins.
The psalms also say we should seek peace and pursue it (psalm 34:4)

I have personally had enough of war. I don’t want my sons to die for a country that hates them, or for them to be used for the political ends and profit margins of the managerial elite ruling class like my father and I were.
For that matter, I don’t want anyone to see their sons die needlessly.

I want peace, period. We cannot bomb our way to that without committing genocides on an unimaginable scale.
In order to obtain peaceful relations with the other inhabitants of this world our government needs to acknowledge that it has not been a righteous hegemon during the Pax Americana. We did evil things to lots and lots of peoples, including our own. We can either keep doing what we have been doing-bombing everyone who objects to our desires, or we could try repentance.
The WORST thing that could happen is the other side says “Nope, nothing you can do will satiate our thirst to kill all of you” at that point we can be justified in fighting a defensive war.
The best thing that could happen would be peace to break out.
But no, let’s keep doing what we’ve been doing. Let’s ignore our culpability. It’s worked out really well thus far.

[AKjeff]

Thing is, you can’t talk about the Ayatollahs without acknowledging that they wouldn’t have had an avenue to power without Operation Ajax. We overthrew their elected government so BP could avoid being audited by the Iranian government. We robbed them of the ability to self govern, so radicalism took its place.
Sounds like a familiar tune, eh?

Christ did say something about not pointing out the spec in your neighbors eye while ignoring the plank in your own.
Christ did tell you to repent of your sins.
The psalms also say we should seek peace and pursue it (psalm 34:4)

I have personally had enough of war. I don’t want my sons to die for a country that hates them, or for them to be used for the political ends and profit margins of the managerial elite ruling class like my father and I were.
For that matter, I don’t want anyone to see their sons die needlessly.

I want peace, period. We cannot bomb our way to that without committing genocides on an unimaginable scale.
In order to obtain peaceful relations with the other inhabitants of this world our government needs to acknowledge that it has not been a righteous hegemon during the Pax Americana. We did evil things to lots and lots of peoples, including our own. We can either keep doing what we have been doing-bombing everyone who objects to our desires, or we could try repentance.
The WORST thing that could happen is the other side says “Nope, nothing you can do will satiate our thirst to kill all of you” at that point we can be justified in fighting a defensive war.
The best thing that could happen would be peace to break out.
But no, let’s keep doing what we’ve been doing. Let’s ignore our culpability. It’s worked out really well thus far.

I don't disagree with what you're saying however evil won't be negotiated with.

The only way I can make sense of what's happening in our country and the world is to acknowledge the presence of evil and it's intent.
I continually read that conservative Americans just want to be left alone, yet others have different ideas and continue to attempt to undermine our country and way of life.

I'm using this as an example, I think this is a separate problem from what this thread is discussing.

I try to live by "Live and let live". If others can't abide by that they should be put down like rabid dogs, otherwise there will be no peace.

From what I've read, Israel attempted to live in peace with their neighbors.
If the neighbors don't want peace, what other solution is there other than to hit them so hard they eventually learn to leave them alone?

[Averageman]

The progress the Shah brought came at a price. He was an awful dictator, too. He did westernize Iran and what he did with the economy was miraculous, but he was was brutal on opposition and dissidents.

I agree they deserve a nuke. They are a pest, and you exterminate pests. Especially ones that want to exterminate YOUR way of life.

I don't doubt that the Shah had his hands full dealing with the Grandfather's of the same Men bringing War to our doorstep today.
What did Israel or for that matter the United States do to anger these people? Nothing for the most part.

You can only complain about the Shah until you become a Tyrant just like him, then you need to STFU
because now you've become the very Tyrant/Problem you complained about.
Want your religious freedom from the Modern World?
I give you the Amish, still tooling along in their horse drawn buggy without a care in the World and as far as I know they haven't set off any IED's yet. See how that works?
Still pissed about British Petroleum ripping you off? Well I'm pissed that we just lost a couple of the Navy's Finest trying to keep tabs on the weapons you export hither and yon.
So as a Christian I beg them to stop because I too have had my fill of War and killing.

But not so much that I will bend over to appease them. I'm done, it won't stop because we stop and I'm pretty sure you Sir are aware of that.