American Mediocrity Hits the Skies!

[markm]

Shitty appliances and automobiles are getting some competition.

Workers who build Boeing 737s will stop for a day to take lessons on quality control

Are you fukking kidding me? You have to tell these worthless fukks that quality matters on a GOD DAMNED Airplane????

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...fb2a0cc8&ei=97

Alaska Airlines and United Airlines, the two biggest operators of the 737 Max 9, found loose bolts on several of the planes during inspections after the grounding.

And the CEOs of both airlines have had strong words for the manufacturer this week.

"It makes you mad that we're finding issues like that on brand-new airplanes," Alaska's Ben Minicucci told NBC.

[kerplode]

Union labor is gonna union labor, I guess.

bUyAmeRiCaN!

[Gabriel556]

When bean counters run the company instead of former engineers, processes are cost cut and quality suffers. This corporate mentality will remain until there is a purge of leadership from the top down. TBH, Boeing needs to fail (hate to say it) but they are just about guaranteed to be bailed out by the government because if they fail, there’s too many gov owned aircraft that will go without support. Trust me, they don’t care about the little guys like the airlines.

[Slater]

Airbus will be happy to pick up the slack.

[SteyrAUG]

LOL, CEO of United is a Drag Queen. You expected what?

https://twitter.com/projectethos5/st...25385039311206


https://www.cf.org/news/meet-united-...ushes-for-dei/

[Artos]

Gets worse...this story broke days ago & Rob did a bit on it. This DEI crap has to stop.

https://twitter.com/meantweeting1/st...82109977186322

If I never fly commercial / stand in line like cattle at an airport ever again that will be just fine.

[SteyrAUG]

Gets worse...this story broke days ago & Rob did a bit on it. This DEI crap has to stop.

https://twitter.com/meantweeting1/st...82109977186322

If I never fly commercial / stand in line like cattle at an airport ever again that will be just fine.

It's stunning from where we've come to from where we began.

Starting around the age of 10 (mid 1970s) I began spending summers with my grandparents. That meant sometimes I had to fly alone. In addition to there being somebody to reassure me that I'm getting on the right plane, my luggage made it too and I'm making the right connection (because I don't think Ozark airlines connected out of Ft Lauderdale), my father made sure I had a shirt and tie because that is how you dressed on an airline. As a kid I sorta hated it, but that was the rules so ok.

Last time I flew in 2015 it really was an airbus complete with people wearing flip flops and shorts.

While I appreciate the deregulation that Reagan brought to the airlines, which made flying more affordable, a person can still be presentable given that we are all trapped in this can together for 6 hours or so. Don't need a suit to fly, but also don't need to look and smell like you just came from the gym.

It wasn't everyone, but as a group called Americans, we used to have a little more class. As a general rule, almost everyone knew how to act and conduct themselves respectably. Didn't really cost money and honestly working class folks were probably slightly more conscious of how they represent themselves.

Somewhere, somehow we crossed a cultural line where "you can't tell me what to do, I do what I want" took priority over consideration for everyone around you. And I'm not talking about rights, I'm talking about knowing how to act out in public.

[SomeOtherGuy]

It's stunning from where we've come to from where we began.

I've been flying regularly across the country for about 35 years now. First for family, then the last 25 mostly for business. Lots of miles, many of them on defunct airlines like Continental and Northwest.

The biggest change of all is reliability. A flight being cancelled for mechanical reasons, or delayed more than an hour, just wasn't a common issue 20+ years ago. Now it's so common it affects about 1/3 of my trips. I had been flying a day before key meetings, now I'm going to schedule two days before meetings because I've missed too many from padding the trip only a day. Obviously this is a major increase in hassle and cost for each trip. This is on all major airlines. Delta is the least bad, but even Delta totally F'd up my most recent trip, allowing a plane's water system to freeze overnight, without any explanation.

Prices are up, service fluctuates, TSA is annoying, but rapidly failing reliability is by far the #1 change and issue.

Every couple of years I get to fly with a client on their private jet, and that is heaven compared to commercial. But rare. I couldn't afford or justify that for myself.

The other thing, which is really obvious, is just how fat people are and how many of the passengers are fat. I'm not small, but I don't spill over my seat. I do have linebacker shoulders though. Lately I'm constantly being contorted by people who have half the bone structure and 3x the fat mass that I do. It's high time to make airline seats bigger - they haven't really changed since the 60's, when people were a fraction of current size in all dimensions (height, weight, width of both bones and fat).

[pag23]

I've been flying regularly across the country for about 35 years now. First for family, then the last 25 mostly for business. Lots of miles, many of them on defunct airlines like Continental and Northwest.

The biggest change of all is reliability. A flight being cancelled for mechanical reasons, or delayed more than an hour, just wasn't a common issue 20+ years ago. Now it's so common it affects about 1/3 of my trips. I had been flying a day before key meetings, now I'm going to schedule two days before meetings because I've missed too many from padding the trip only a day. Obviously this is a major increase in hassle and cost for each trip. This is on all major airlines. Delta is the least bad, but even Delta totally F'd up my most recent trip, allowing a plane's water system to freeze overnight, without any explanation.

Prices are up, service fluctuates, TSA is annoying, but rapidly failing reliability is by far the #1 change and issue.

Every couple of years I get to fly with a client on their private jet, and that is heaven compared to commercial. But rare. I couldn't afford or justify that for myself.

The other thing, which is really obvious, is just how fat people are and how many of the passengers are fat. I'm not small, but I don't spill over my seat. I do have linebacker shoulders though. Lately I'm constantly being contorted by people who have half the bone structure and 3x the fat mass that I do. It's high time to make airline seats bigger - they haven't really changed since the 60's, when people were a fraction of current size in all dimensions (height, weight, width of both bones and fat).

Amen...I hate flying and if I have to for work, I make sure to get an early one..normally most folks are business people and it avoids to sloths of society that are too lazy to get an early flight

[Korgs130]

When bean counters run the company instead of former engineers, processes are cost cut and quality suffers. This corporate mentality will remain until there is a purge of leadership from the top down. TBH, Boeing needs to fail (hate to say it) but they are just about guaranteed to be bailed out by the government because if they fail, there’s too many gov owned aircraft that will go without support. Trust me, they don’t care about the little guys like the airlines.

Inspectors (company employed, not government) are key in maintaining quality control for complex systems assembly. The are experts in the details of the process, but tend to hinder product numbers when problems are identified. That affects the bottom line. Guess what Boeing has been getting rid of over the past decade…inspectors.