HM Defense update?

[NoVA5326]

that linked showed integrally machined gas blocks.. different

[Stickman]

I would go and listen to what they have to say. Since they are local, they may be asking for ways to help the local firearm community and asking for ideas to help their business. Their workers are your neighbors, and quite honestly, being friends with gun companies is always a good thing.

The worst that happens is you get a free dinner and learn you don't like them. Especially if you are going with a few friends, it still sounds like a good time.

[Defaultmp3]

Anyone know anything about L&S?

The only thing I know is that a semi-popular YouTuber apparently did a review video that wasn't particularly flattering about one of their RDSes (the review in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFvhW6Gfd1g), and so they sent a C&D, and then apparently implied that the YouTuber was "autistic" or something like that. All second hand info, but given that they don't sell anything I give a shit about, I'm not motivated to dig too deep into it.

L&S's response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwXscTcH1Y
YouTuber's response to the response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCKRxpVWAJc

[NoVA5326]

Not terribly impressed with the "review" process, as not exactly reliable and repeatable.

Do all "drop test" with whatever optics use the same weapon, weight: mag full, can, etc? I would maybe use super anchored length of picatinny with optic atop, a and x amount of weight aka joules dropped or swung into optic

The drop and POI shift, could also be from can shift on mount, barrel nut, handguard, etc.

www. drama, meh

[JediGuy]

L&S got their start on Reddit. Frankly, they are gun guys that seem to try to make good stuff.

The YouTube review thing seems like nonsense, but that is certainly influenced by my quick opinion of “people watch this guy” and “he doesn’t know what he’s talking about” on the couple videos I tried unsuccessfully to watch. My assumption has been he attempted to fabricate drama for views.

Someone more reputable demonstrated challenges on a drop test with their pistol optic, I think.

They use or used to use CMT handguards.

Their trigger is meh. Their Promethean optic was super clear to my eyes, but heavy like an Eotech. Their Pandora optic is mounted on a pistol chassis that I just haven’t made time to shoot.

I think they are really trying to be successful.

[SE Flyer]

I would go and listen to what they have to say. Since they are local, they may be asking for ways to help the local firearm community and asking for ideas to help their business. Their workers are your neighbors, and quite honestly, being friends with gun companies is always a good thing.

The worst that happens is you get a free dinner and learn you don't like them. Especially if you are going with a few friends, it still sounds like a good time.

I'm going with the attitude of "show me" as in, if I was in the market for a new AR, why should I buy yours? What makes your rifle worth taking the risk of purchasing over purchasing a well proven brand?

[Stickman]

I'm going with the attitude of "show me" as in, if I was in the market for a new AR, why should I buy yours? What makes your rifle worth taking the risk of purchasing over purchasing a well proven brand?

I think its fair to say a Colt 6920 is available for under a grand, and that still is really the standard for AR15s regardless of what a small sample of internet dwellers say.

Basing their (or anyone else) weapon against the Colt, what makes it a better buy for someone who wants a rock solid AR? PSA already has the bottom market well covered, and no one is going to be able to compete with them. Upper tier or at least middle tier is where they need to be, and its far too late to attempt to be the upper end guru of AR15s.

[Waylander]

So the cheapest rifle’s barrel is nitrided according to the site.

http://hmdefense.com/html/guardianf5.html

I would assume the pricier rifles at least have that so they may want to update their site.

ETA: FYI a barrel cannot have a nitride finish without having a nitride bore. It’s all or none.

[ABNAK]

ETA: FYI a barrel cannot have a nitride finish without having a nitride bore. It’s all or none.

Once the whole thing is nitrided, can't the chamber and bore then be chrome lined? Seriously I have no idea if that is doable or not but just might make for the best combo finish available: nitride for the corrosion resistance on the outside, chrome lining (which I personally consider the standard by which all others should be judged!) for the inside.

[Defaultmp3]

So the cheapest rifle’s barrel is nitrided according to the site.

http://hmdefense.com/html/guardianf5.html

I would assume the pricier rifles at least have that so they may want to update their site.

ETA: FYI a barrel cannot have a nitride finish without having a nitride bore. It’s all or none.

Their cheapest rifle also doesn't have their MONOBLOC barrel. Their uppers with MONOBLOC barrels do not say anything about nitriding either, but specifically state a Cerakoted finish. Thus, I'd wager that their more expensive rifles may still have an unfinished/untreated bore.