The worst part of it all is the word "bipartisan". Other than McConnell, what other republican senators were in on this disgrace of a "deal"?
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The worst part of it all is the word "bipartisan". Other than McConnell, what other republican senators were in on this disgrace of a "deal"?
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I’m super frustrated right now because everything being said about the Lankford negotiated $118B Senate “Border Bill”, is a complete lie, right down to the fact that it’s not even a Bill at all.
That’s right, the “Border Bill” is actually Senate Amendment 1371 to H.R.815, which already passed the House on March 7th, 2023, but was never taken up in the Senate.
H.R.815 is actually a Veterans Bill to fund veterans healthcare, called the RELIEVE Act.
Ostensibly it is supposed to help pay for veterans healthcare:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...house-bill/815
“Removing Extraneous Loopholes Insuring Every Veteran Emergency Act or the RELIEVE Act
This bill expands eligibility for Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) reimbursement of emergency treatment for veterans who are treated in a non-VA facility. Specifically, the bill waives the requirement that a veteran must have received VA care within the 24-month period preceding the furnishing of emergency treatment if the veteran receives such emergency treatment within the 60-day period following their enrollment in the VA health care system.
Additionally, the bill extends through December 28, 2031, higher rates for certain loan fees under the VA home loan program.”
So here comes Senator Patty Murray, (D)WA with Senate Amendment 1371:
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/1...%22Hr815%22%7D
Senate Amendment 1371 is her Amendment and is cosponsored by Chuck Schumer, not Lankford. Lankford, Synema (I)AZ and Chris Murphy (D)CT negotiated the Amendment. It does NOT appreciably increase border security or reduce illegal immigration (I’ve read it). Here’s how the money flows:
Notice that Gaza gets almost 50% of what the border gets. Not Israel, Gaza. If that weren’t enough, Ukraine gets three times as much as the Border. The border only gets 17% of the funding in this Amendment, yet they’re all pretending it’s a “Border Bill”. It’s not.
Worse yet, the border section is riddled with loopholes, exemptions, implementation deferrals and circumvention authorities that absolutely ensure that the border will never be “closed”, even of they had 100,000 migrant encounters in a week (not all of which would even count).
Seriously, read the damned Amendment and see for yourself! Lankford is lying his ass off by way of obfuscation. None of what he claims would actually happen, but it would really fatten a lot of people’s wallets at the expense of the taxpayers!
Call and write all your Senators and Representatives to let them know they need to oppose this Amendment to a House Bill they would never pass if it was actually about helping veterans. Don’t let them pretend you oppose veterans healthcare and border security because that’s not what this is about at all.
Last edited by glocktogo; 02-05-24 at 16:36.
What if this whole crusade's a charade?
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…
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Not only no, but FVCK NO!!!
Screw these illegals, their illegal kids, and anyone else I'm forgetting.
11C2P '83-'87
Airborne Infantry
F**k China!
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Repubes continue to be dumbasses. They need to tell FJB no bill is needed, enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books like DJT did. You broke it, you fix it. Instead they see an opportunity to steal more of my money while taking some of the blame for the border disaster.
Philippians 2:10-11
To argue with a person who renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. ~ Thomas Paine
“The greatest conspiracy theory is the notion that your government cares about you”- unknown.
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This is the list making the rounds of those not on record condemning this idiotic bill...haley is on record supporting & trump obviously hates it. You don't need any bill, enforce the damn laws & build the wall. The propaganda with the msm on this is nauseating.
Here's the list of Republican senators who have yet to disavow the border betrayal bill. If your senator is here, call them, and politely demand they go on the record against this sellout.
Murkowski (AK)
Sullivan (AK)
Boozman (AR)
Crapo (ID)
Young (IN)
Grassley (IA)
Ernst (IA)
Moran (KS)
McConnell (KY...okay, this one isn't happening)
Cassidy (LA)
Kennedy (LA)
Collins (ME)
Wicker (MS)
Hyde-Smith (MS)
Fischer (NE)
Ricketts (NE)
Tillis (NC)
Hoeven (ND)
Cramer (ND)
Mullin (OK)
Lankford (OK...start planning the primary now, not later)
Graham (SC)
Tim Scott (SC)
Thune (SD)
Rounds (SD)
Cornyn (TX)
Romney (UT)
Capito (WV)
Barrasso (WY)
Lummis (WY)
We need 41 votes to kill the Invasion Authorization Act.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, 1941
"A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but a foolish man's heart directs him toward the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2:
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Glad to see my two Senators aren't on that list (Blackburn and Hagerty).Originally Posted by Artos
11C2P '83-'87
Airborne Infantry
F**k China!
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Mullin (OK) will have a telephone town hall tomorrow night. I’ve already posted all of this and I will be on that call tomorrow night. If I get the chance I will definitely be speaking with exactly what I’ve read that contradicts Lankford!
What if this whole crusade's a charade?
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…
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I don't too excited about this particular flavor of treason, anymore.
The USA was doomed the day Hart-Celler became law.
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Have to end NAFTA if you even dream of border security.
That was the motive to moving all of our electronics and vehicle assembly to Mexico, to make sure the border couldn't be regulated without destroying access to goods.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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I was going mainly on the morning shows on the big three and how they were reporting it- which is how most people are going to perceive it if the truth doesn’t get out. That is the political battle that we are going to have to face and fight.Are you reading the actual bill? Or the synopsis of talking points they issued along with the bill?
I have been reading the actual Bill since Lankford sent the link. It’s 280 pages long and I’m currently on page 98. So far, what I’ve read leads me to believe that Lankford has redefined “immediate consequences for illegal crossing” to mean an asylum review for NON CUSTODIAL immigrants somewhere between 31 and 90 days after being released into the country.
Of course that 31-90 days is subject to a myriad of exemptions and exclusions. Even the 90 day limit has an out because it says “90 days, or as soon as practicable.”
I’ll try to pick up the remainder of the bill later today, but so far I’m very underwhelmed.
NAFTA would help you get drugs and other contraband, maybe a WMD into the country, but it doesn’t move people that well. Better Mexico than China, Korea, Vietnam or Indonesia. Money into Mexico, if we could keep our people off of illegal drugs and enable the cartels, would prop that place up. That would help to stem the transfer of people from and through there.
I still think that if we let people into the country because of poor conditions in their home country, we need to have an active plan to overthrow the current govt and replace it- and do it with people who come here from these sh!t hole countries
The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.
It's that simple.
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