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    SBRing a lower

    Hello folks, I read Scottryan's guide... and am wondering... why do you need an engraver? I know nothing about NFA and SBR stuff... but am considering SBRing a Spike's Lower I have, if that's even possible.

    Do I need to have it engraved with something special?
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    If you're building the SBR, my understanding is you need your name (or trust name) city and state, because you're the manufacturer.

    I used Veritas Machining in Union, Michigan for mine.

    You have to really look for the engraving, he did a great job at making them NOT stand out (inside trigger guard if it has a non detachable one, or the inside lip of the magwell) and he can leave it silver or turn it black again.

    I have no affiliation with his company, I just like his work.

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    The manufacturer has to be engraved on the lower.

    In this case you, or your trust, is going to be the second manufacturer by making this into an SBR. It needs your name or trust name, and your city/State. Because you are using an existing lower you will use the original serial number to identify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    The manufacturer has to be engraved on the lower.

    In this case you, or your trust, is going to be the second manufacturer by making this into an SBR. It needs your name or trust name, and your city/State. Because you are using an existing lower you will use the original serial number to identify it.
    Ahh.. ok, that makes perfect sense. THANKS!
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    I've never engraved shit on my lowers, but I know guys who got correspondence from certain examiners requiring it. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the engraving was meant for actual manufacturing... like an F1 can, for example... where you don't have an original manufacturer's serial number like on an existing AR lower. But along the way, booger eating bureaucrats at ATF perverted the engraving into SBRs of existing firearms.

    There's no practical value to it other than adding another roadblock to getting your firearm set up how you want it.
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    Y'all are conflating two terms that do not have the same meaning in the context of NFA firearms. When you use an existing firearm (this includes a bare lower receiver) to make a short barrel rifle, you are not the "manufacturer". You are the "maker". The manufacturer is the company that actually made the firearm. As the "maker", you are required to engrave your name (or trust name), city and state on the firearm.

    Here's a link that explains it more thoroughly.
    https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/bl...-through-guide

    Here's another.
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/un...ter-6/download

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bret View Post
    Y'all are conflating two terms that do not have the same meaning in the context of NFA firearms. When you use an existing firearm (this includes a bare lower receiver) to make a short barrel rifle, you are not the "manufacturer". You are the "maker". The manufacturer is the company that actually made the firearm. As the "maker", you are required to engrave your name (or trust name), city and state on the firearm.
    Interesting. I never read/heard that before.
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    If the lower receiver is rare / valuable, you have an option to engrave the maker's info on the barrel instead.

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