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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Pretty cool looking. But I'm not sure why we're still dealing with Mlok. I mean attaching a pic rail section using Mlok is just so mentally retarded, it's sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-17 View Post
    FDE is superior to black in pretty much any environment. Black rifles stand out pretty badly across the board. Even countries that never deployed to the Middle East have picked up on that; the new Finnish and Swedish rifles have moved away from black for green/"brown-gray" shades.

    EDIT: Case in Point, FDE SCAR in Kansas in January. Eastern Europe tends to look a lot like KS from what I've seen. FDE is not just a desert color.

    Who said anything about Black being superior to FDE? I was merely saying that Desert Tan and FDE seem like dated color choices considering that The Middle East is no longer the combat zone it once was and that it's believed that the next big war is going to take place in Eastern Europe and Asia, where FDE wouldn't be very useful as camouflage, obviously Black would be terrible in that regard too.

    If Kansas ever gets invaded, (Heaven Forbid) then you'll be good to go, but Colt Canada isn't going to sell this carbine anywhere in the United States.

    So yeah, unless Colt Canada is trying to sell these to Israel or something, I can't fathom why they chose FDE for the color.

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    Japan evidently decided to stick with basic black for their new(ish) Type 20 rifle:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCln1G2NFc

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Pretty cool looking. But I'm not sure why we're still dealing with Mlok. I mean attaching a pic rail section using Mlok is just so mentally retarded, it's sad.
    I donít attach pic rail sections to MLOK, pic to pic and MLOK to MLOK. For lights I use either Arisaka mounts and Reptilia Torch bodies which are also MLOK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titsonritz View Post
    I don’t attach pic rail sections to MLOK, pic to pic and MLOK to MLOK. For lights I use either Arisaka mounts and Reptilia Torch bodies which are also MLOK.
    I just drop a SF scout on the top pic rail, Mlok VG, QD rail mounts and don't need much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo40 View Post
    Who said anything about Black being superior to FDE? I was merely saying that Desert Tan and FDE seem like dated color choices considering that The Middle East is no longer the combat zone it once was and that it's believed that the next big war is going to take place in Eastern Europe and Asia, where FDE wouldn't be very useful as camouflage, obviously Black would be terrible in that regard too.

    If Kansas ever gets invaded, (Heaven Forbid) then you'll be good to go, but Colt Canada isn't going to sell this carbine anywhere in the United States.

    So yeah, unless Colt Canada is trying to sell these to Israel or something, I can't fathom why they chose FDE for the color.
    All my rifles are still black or black n green. I don't know a FDE or tan firearm yet. If I had to go to the desert, I could camo up a rifle easy. If I had to go to the arctic I could camo a rifle easy. FDE and Tan are associated with the war on terror and by extension make owner feel like operators. It's no different than the guys rolling black rifles and wearing tigers in the 80s. Most of this is marketing to sell firearms.

    If Canada finds themselves fighting in Eastern Europe somehow, I'm sure they will figure out what to do with their rifles.

    That said, I still want a HK 416 in RAL 7008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I just drop a SF scout on the top pic rail, .
    I still go that route quite bit too. Gear Sector is my favorite when it comes to an offset mount but I also like a light at 12 oíclock and go with a Modlite PDW 350 on my shorter handguards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    All my rifles are still black or black n green. I don't know a FDE or tan firearm yet. If I had to go to the desert, I could camo up a rifle easy. If I had to go to the arctic I could camo a rifle easy. FDE and Tan are associated with the war on terror and by extension make owner feel like operators. It's no different than the guys rolling black rifles and wearing tigers in the 80s. Most of this is marketing to sell firearms.

    If Canada finds themselves fighting in Eastern Europe somehow, I'm sure they will figure out what to do with their rifles.

    That said, I still want a HK 416 in RAL 7008.
    While I still have a few, Iíve mostly moved away from black guns because they get too damn hot in summer months from the sun beating down on them. FDE/tan is much cooler (temperature wise)

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    Given that they're in Canada, I wonder why they didn't go with white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo40 View Post
    Who said anything about Black being superior to FDE? I was merely saying that Desert Tan and FDE seem like dated color choices considering that The Middle East is no longer the combat zone it once was and that it's believed that the next big war is going to take place in Eastern Europe and Asia, where FDE wouldn't be very useful as camouflage, obviously Black would be terrible in that regard too.

    If Kansas ever gets invaded, (Heaven Forbid) then you'll be good to go, but Colt Canada isn't going to sell this carbine anywhere in the United States.

    So yeah, unless Colt Canada is trying to sell these to Israel or something, I can't fathom why they chose FDE for the color.
    I guess you missed the point, so let me simplify it: FDE is a pretty good universal color. It is not just for the desert. FDE is the MultiCam of firearm finishes; it might not always be the best option, but it's pretty consistently a good option. Again, countries that never deployed to the Middle East have adopted similar colors for their weapons. Look at footage out of Ukraine; if you see painted weapons, they usually use tan/FDE as the base color. Since you clearly missed or ignored the point I tried to make with my picture, watch this, and explain why an FDE wouldn't work just as well, if not better than anything else:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...t=share_button

    Ukraine, Eastern Europe, with open terrain very similar to my picture, and that's not even the time of year it'd look best in. Hell, circling it back to Canada, the same plains that picture was taken on continue up into Canada. So, yeah, an OD or greenish finish might work slightly better in certain areas of Canada, or in Eastern Europe, but FDE works better overall, and works just fine on predicted future battlefields.

    You mentioned the XM7 being another "anomaly" in this regard, but you seem to have missed that's been the trend for over a decade. The SCAR, M110, M110A1, XM250, M17, and M18 were all adopted in one type of FDE or another for universal use, not just use in the Middle East. The M27 wasn't, but it is the outlier, not the norm. (and even there, its suppressor and mags are frequently FDE of one shade or another, and I've seen a few with what look to be FDE rail systems)

    And, ironically, Israel likely wouldn't have any interest in this or any other FDE weapon. They have largely chosen to ignore camouflage, and stick to OD even though it's a pretty poor performer across the board for IFF reasons.
    It's f*****g great, putting holes in people, all the time, and it just puts 'em down mate, they drop like sacks of s**t when they go down with this.
    --British veteran of the Ukraine War, discussing the FN SCAR H.

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