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Thread: Colt's railed 1911.

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    Colt Railed Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by olds442tyguy View Post
    Hardly any "manufacturer" out sources their frames. When I say manufacturer, I don't mean small companies that buy outsourced major parts and build a custom gun on them.

    If Kimber, Smith and Wesson, Springfield, Para, Rock River (before they went to shit as a company), STI, Sig, etcetera can all make their own frames, so can Colt.

    At risk of thread drift, let's take a look at this.

    There's perhaps two US shops that produce 1911 forgings. Colt, and Smith.

    Springfield buys forgings for their frames and slides from IMBEL in Brazil.

    Prior to being bought out by Kimber, Jericho bought forgings from Smith and finished them for Kimber and Wilson.

    Caspian produced (finished) forged 1911 frames for some time, but now produces only cast frames.

    Incidentally, Caspian made the early GSR frames and slides.

    Ruger makes castings for themselves, and other makers, like Caspian.

    So, if brand x says they "make" their own receivers and slides, are they forging or casting them, or machining someone else's forging or casting?

    Per the Jan/Feb Am Handgunner, STI produces NH's frames (non-railed) and slides. Where these forgins originate from is anyone's guess. See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...0/ai_n15862431

    I would bet that STI makes frames and slides for other 1911 brands, as well.

    Of course, where is STI getting their forgings from?

    IIRC, the following use Caspian for their railed frames,
    NH
    Wilson
    RRA (?)
    Baer (formerly)
    Brown
    Sig (formerly?)

    That Colt has gone the extra mile to procure a forging die and tooling to make forgings for railed 1911s will allow them to produce the end product for a lower cost in the long run than buying frames from Caspian.

    I'm looking forward to the Colt railed frames, even though I'd rather they be non-series 80.

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    RRA made their own frames.

    Kimber makes their own frames.

    Springfield does use Imbel, but I consider the two one in the same, except Springfield starts with a blank Imbel forging for their railed frames.

    Para and Sig also make their own frames now.
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    Not trying to get wrapped around the axle here, but it kinda depends on how you define "make".

    Anyone with a CNC machine and the requisite know how can "make" something out of barstock, casting, or a forging.

    If a company doesn't produce their own castings or forgings, they are sourcing (buying) them from someone else.

    Springfield buys the forgings for their frames (and slide?) from IMBEL and machines them in house.

    Unless they have their own forge, Kimber buys the forgings for their frames (and slide) from someone, and machines them in house.

    Same for RRA, Baer, et. al.

    Where do we know forgings originate from?

    Colt has a forge facility.

    Smith has a forge facility. See http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore...S_Brochure.pdf

    Imbel has a forge facility.

    As to Castings, Ruger does a lot of work for other makers, including Caspian.

    Does Para cast their own frames, or do they buy someone else's castings?

    Have to add, I wish Colt had made their railed frame more like Springfield's revised 3/4 length railed frame (but I'll still buy one).

    Very interested in finalized configuration(s) and pricing for the "CRG".



    Quote Originally Posted by olds442tyguy View Post
    RRA made their own frames.

    Kimber makes their own frames.

    Springfield does use Imbel, but I consider the two one in the same, except Springfield starts with a blank Imbel forging for their railed frames.

    Para and Sig also make their own frames now.
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    Just when I said I was gonna move on from 1911's. I guess one more won't hurt. Some 10-8 and Vickers parts and it'll be real nice.

    As for the series 80, I used to give this a lot of thought. After i spoke to a few smiths, it would seem to be no real problem. I also think some of the benefits of the Colt out way the series 80.

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    In an attempt to breathe some life back into this thread, I was on TOS and noticed the new railed Colt for the first time. It looks appealing and several claimed that it would be fit for duty use with the parts they were using in it. Anyways, I was curious if anyone since January has shot one or had the opportunity to run it hard. Curious how it would stack up to others like the Smith TacRail (mentioned earlier on pg 1) or others. Just as a disclaimer, I like shooting the 1911's but don't know more than the average guy about them. The way I was raised was that a SA Pro and Nighthawks was the only thing I could purchase by the way of 1911's or I would here a bunch of *** from the men of the family.

    Ky cop
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    Anyone know if Colt released the blue rail models yet? I saw one for sale on the EE and it had a cerakote finish and golfball grips that looked good. It got me thinking.....

    KC
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    No, only the stainless steel and the stainless steel with a cerakote finish are available.

    I just picked up my SS Rail Gun today and it is perfect in every way. The machining is flawless, the trigger is perfect and the national match barrel was a pleasant surprise.

    I can't wait to go shoot it tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45fmjoe View Post
    No, only the stainless steel and the stainless steel with a cerakote finish are available.

    I just picked up my SS Rail Gun today and it is perfect in every way. The machining is flawless, the trigger is perfect and the national match barrel was a pleasant surprise.

    I can't wait to go shoot it tomorrow.
    Please let us know as you get a few rounds down the pipe. It would be nice to see a little range report on here.

    Congrats, KC

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    Rail gun

    Electromagnetic rails accelerating aluminum pellets.



    And is that Colt gun available in a non-pimptastic color
    Last edited by variablebinary; 07-24-10 at 21:27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Cop View Post
    Please let us know as you get a few rounds down the pipe. It would be nice to see a little range report on here.

    Congrats, KC
    I have my first 50 reloads of .45 ACP ready to roll.

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