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Thread: Castle nut staking, why the big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    That's not a real argument. Most "real" gunfighters have already had someone who in your words is anal, spec out their gun to include staked castle nuts and all the testing on bolts and barrels. Most "real" gunfighters have an armorer to look over their guns for them and make sure they are up to snuff. If they're lacking those things, then they'd be better served to be anal about their weapons.

    Guess you haven't been overseas recently nor worked any non military gigs in other lands. Because that certainly is not nearly always the case.

    While I definitely agree that anyone who uses a rifle for serious work should be educated I was merely pointing out that most who do still are very much lacking in the knowledge department. This includes people up to and including those you'd consider to be "Tier 1" operators.


    No one here has to like or agree with it. This is a personal observation.
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    As always it comes down to requirements.

    If its a range toy/plinker on which you like to swap the latest crap that catches your fancy, then staking or loctiting is a pain in the butt. Conversely system "failure" has no consequences.

    If your life depends on it and you are beating on it every day, then staking is a secure, easily visually confirmed way of knowing that everything will stay together.

    Either way, I think people get a bit too crazed over this kind of thing.

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    Trunkmonkey,

    I'll agree with you to certain point. Most of the shooters aren't as well versed in ther finer aspects of their kit. This is why it is critical to have knowledgeable people in the logistics area and an armorer who knows what he is doing.

    We are using BM's and of course I know the issues with them. So I mitigate that by ensuring that we have extra bolts, proper extractors spring and inserts, etc..etc...

    You have to be able to sell to the higher ups why a particular piece of kit is good or bad and though the initial cost will be more, in the long run money will be saved by less parts breakage, wear and tear, etc....

    I always attempt to present facts and/or personal experience when it comes to the selection of certain items. But, ultimately the bean counters have the final say.

    Quote Originally Posted by trunkmonkey View Post
    Guess you haven't been overseas recently nor worked any non military gigs in other lands. Because that certainly is not nearly always the case.

    While I definitely agree that anyone who uses a rifle for serious work should be educated I was merely pointing out that most who do still are very much lacking in the knowledge department. This includes people up to and including those you'd consider to be "Tier 1" operators.


    No one here has to like or agree with it. This is a personal observation.



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    The bottom line is stake what needs to be staked and if you dont want to shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihan View Post
    The bottom line is stake what needs to be staked and if you dont want to shut up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Some people like to change receiver plates and RE's a lot (for whatever reason) and like not having to un-stack them every time.

    This is really the ONLY valid excuse I have heard to date.



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    That was Armalite's reply to my inquiry.
    Last edited by Eric; 01-27-09 at 00:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    That was Armalite's reply to my inquiry.
    I wonder if that was after mine, since the reply I got was "wait, what?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I wonder if that was after mine, since the reply I got was "wait, what?"
    RRA's responce was "Huh, what? Oh that thing. We use Locktite, it's better." I'm serious.
    CMMG's was about the same. Exept they said "We let our customers stake them after they find the stock they like."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    That was Armalite's reply to my inquiry.
    If that's their excuse then one would think that somewhere in their owners manual they would say that it should be staked before using if the owner isn't changing the plate.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAIL-CAESAR View Post
    RRA's responce was "Huh, what? Oh that thing. We use Locktite, it's better." I'm serious.
    CMMG's was about the same. Exept they said "We let our customers stake them after they find the stock they like."

    That's because these companies don't want to field complaints from people asking why their rifles are "all dinged up". Some people who don't know any better would be pissed that someone took a punch to their endplate.

    Especially the RRA crowd who are always going on and on and on about how great the "fit and finish" is.

    That said - it WOULD be nice to have the option from more places to get rifles without stocks so you can put your own stock on!
    Last edited by mmike87; 01-27-09 at 08:24.

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